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Hayden Fox

Hayden Fox

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We talk a ton on the site about who we want the next QB and HC to be. Many (including myself) talk about all the "upper-level" candidates. We see people saying just do whatever to get Andrew Luck or people stating that they would not care if it was Gruden, Cowher and Fisher as coach. Maybe Andy Reid is axed.

Well, what happens if we cannot get Luck? What happens if Gruden and Fisher go to other teams and Cowher stays on CBS?

What would your QB and coach combinations be in that case?

As Fin Fans we have to be ready for this scenario this winter.

QB's
Robert Griffin III- I would also want a vet to keep the seat warm. Kid should be there when we pick.
Landry Jones- Still need a vet to play first.
Carson Palmer- I hate giving up compensation for vet QB's
Matt Flynn- Sleep FA

Coach
1. Brian Billick- Arrogant SOB, but it is criminal he has not been given a chance since leaving Baltimore. He can coach QB's and would fit well with Ross' "glitz and glamour" ****.
2. Rob Chudzinski- the stuff he has done with the QB's has been awesome. Is he ready to be a HC?
3. Urban Meyer- probably would not come to the NFL, but it would be interesting.
4. Mike Mularkey- Actually successful in Buffalo. Players coach. Can coach QB's.
5. Rob Ryan- I hate the bombastic **** of the Ryan's. However, if his defense does well vs. Brady Sunday, we have to think about it.
6. Les Miles- Wildcard Approach. Could be a homerun...could be a disaster.

I ultimately want a HC that is coach of QB's. Someone that will make the team adapt around the QB.

Let me know what your names might be...

Throw out some other names. We need to be prepared for other alternatives.
 
GRUDEN will be Miami's next Head Coach.


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Matt Barkley, USC QB, would be my plan B....Landry Jones my Plan C...we should be gauranteed of one of these QB's just as long as we remain in the bottom three. I think Barkley is better than the two previous big name QB's out of USC (Carson Palmer and Sanchez). I like watching Landry Jones play and seeing him throw it to Broyles and Stills. RG3 of Baylor is looking really good but I would like to see what he does against better competition. If we can't bring in Gruden, I would like Fisher.
 
RGIII has an amazing long ball...always on target...but I don't think he will be an NFL QB. (I love watching him play though!)

Barkley is another name I hear alot...but quite frankly I am not impressed with him. I think he is just another hyped USC QB that really isn't much better than anyone else...just on a good team in a weak conference.

Jones I haven't seen enough. He is on a very good team...and I wonder just how much more talent he has to work with than other QB's out there.
 
Dr. Phin said:
just on a good team in a weak conference.
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USC is far from consistent. And while Barkley has one of the best up and coming receivers to throw to and a shining Marqise Lee...they are still VERY young.

Barkley has IT. When he has his right time to throw, he is money. The O-line has been very average.
 
Billick seems burnt out to me. Even before he lost the Balt job. Mularkey's rise to somehow becoming a legitimate HC candidate is the NFL equivalent of that brief, regrettable time when Ben Affleck was considered a movie star. Les Miles would be a disaster. Chud is the most interesting choice to me. But I'm biased. I love that dude.

I'd take Barkley as the safer 2nd choice, but I'm a big believer in RG3. If something shocking happens like we win a few games and we have no leverage for Luck then I would be pretty excited to roll the dice on RG3.
 
Ill off myself if we hire that idiot Les Miles.
 
WelcomeBack said:
USC is far from consistent. And while Barkley has one of the best up and coming receivers to throw to and a shining Marqise Lee...they are still VERY young.

Barkley has IT. When he has his right time to throw, he is money. The O-line has been very average.
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I am sitting here watching a replay of the Cal game right now, and he doesn't look very good at all. Against ASU, I thought he was very average. He doesn't look special to me at all.
 
I think "second tier" or even "third tier" HCs can work out well, but I think these points need to part of the equation:
  • I think that you want a HC who has had some experience as a HC in the NFL first of all. Too many great coordinators don't do well in their first tries at being head coaches.
  • I think that you also want your candidate to have had some success as an OC/DC in different organizations as well.
  • If you go after a collegiate HC coach, I think he has to have had some success as a pro HC and/or Coordinator.
  • I think that the HC should have a pragmatic approach to coaching rather than being tied to a specific philosophy (ie, cover-2 on D or WCO or "ground and pound" on offense). You want a HC who can get the most out of whatever talent the team currently has, not throw away decent players and seasons building a "perfect" team to fit his "system".
  • In today's NFL, you probably want a HC who is open to innovation instead of a conservative who feels most comfortable with tried and true methods.
  • You definitely do NOT want a HC who favors smurfs, especially on defense, over normal-sized players.
No, y'all cannot have Chan Gailey! I think that Mike Mularkey or Gregg Williams might be worthy of getting shots at head coaching gigs again. I'd pass on Brian Billick as I think he lived a lot of years off of his SB win. I was never impressed with his game day coaching skills nor with how he handled his QBs.

As for QBs, don't take one just to take one -- and don't trade up or back into the first to get one. The Bills wasted a first rounder plus two other picks to get JP Losman, and that cost them the opportunity to take Aaron Rodgers the next year. At least they didn't compound their mistake by drafting Matt Leinart or Brady Quinn, whom all the "experts" were touting in the draft. That the Jets traded up to get Sanchez who at this point in his career, quite frankly looks like a more expensive Trent Edwards just underscores the "don't trade up" rule. They could have had Freeman for just a first.

Who knows? Maybe Moore can blossom if given the opportunity -- Ryan Fitzpatrick did. If not, consider that top QBs like Raplelisberger and Rodgers were drafted outside of the Top Ten, and guys like Brady and Brees were taken in later rounds. All is not lost if Andrew Luck is NOT Miami's QB next season. It might even be a good thing.

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I think "second tier" or even "third tier" HCs can work out well, but I think these points need to part of the equation:
<LI>I think that you want a HC who has had some experience as a HC in the NFL first of all.&nbsp; Too many great coordinators don't do well in their first tries at being head coaches.</LI>
<LI>I think that&nbsp;you also want&nbsp;your candidate to have&nbsp;had some <EM>success</EM> as an OC/DC&nbsp;in different organizations as well.&nbsp; </LI>
<LI>If you go after a collegiate&nbsp;HC coach, I think he has to have had some <EM>success</EM> as a pro HC and/or Coordinator.&nbsp;</LI>
<LI>I think that the HC should have a pragmatic approach to coaching rather than being tied to a specific philosophy (ie, cover-2 on D or WCO or "ground and pound"&nbsp;on offense).&nbsp; You want a HC who can get the most out of whatever talent the team currently has, not throw away decent players and seasons building a "perfect" team to fit his "system".</LI>
<LI>In today's NFL, you probably want a HC who is open to innovation instead of a conservative who feels most comfortable with tried and true methods.</LI>
<LI>You definitely&nbsp;do <STRONG><EM>NOT&nbsp;</EM></STRONG>want a HC who favors smurfs, especially on defense, over normal-sized players.</LI></UL><BR>No, y'all cannot have Chan Gailey!&nbsp; I think that Mike Mularkey or Gregg Williams might be worthy of getting shots at head coaching gigs again.&nbsp; I'd pass on Brian Billick as I think he lived a lot of years off of his SB win.&nbsp; I was never impressed with his game day coaching skills nor with how he handled his QBs.<BR><BR>As for QBs, don't take one just to take one -- and don't trade up or back&nbsp;into the first&nbsp;to get one.&nbsp; The Bills wasted a first rounder plus two other picks to get JP Losman, and that cost them the opportunity to take Aaron Rodgers the next year.&nbsp; At least they didn't compound their mistake by drafting Matt Leinart or Brady Quinn, whom all the "experts" were touting in the draft.&nbsp; That the Jets traded up to get Sanchez who at this point in his career, quite frankly looks like a more expensive Trent Edwards just underscores the "don't trade up" rule.&nbsp; They could have had Freeman for just a first.<BR><BR>Who knows?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Maybe Moore can blossom if given the opportunity -- Ryan Fitzpatrick did.&nbsp; If not, consider that top QBs like Raplelisberger and Rodgers were drafted outside of the Top Ten, and guys like Brady and Brees were taken in later rounds.&nbsp; All is not lost if Andrew Luck is NOT Miami's QB next season.&nbsp; It might even be a good thing.
 
Let me another name to the list

Charlie Weiss- Great designer of NFL offenses. Good coach of QB's
 
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