The 3-4. DO you think we'll run it now??

[Megatron]

We arent running a 3-4 defense. We run a 4-3 with variations that include 3-4, how hard is this to understand?

Call it what you will but what you don't understand is we may be doing the 3-4 looks out of need because we are so thin at DT.

 

[zodiak]

Megatron

Dont go getting all excited over a "mini-camp" BTW look at who they had playing OLB in many of those fronts( Taylor, D.Bowans) if you dont think for a minute OC's around the league wouldnt be licking their chops at a chance to attack Taylor or Bowans on an every down occasion if they where going to be the OLB's you dont know football.

And I will say it again "Saban doesnt run a base 3-4" I am tired of all you media marks who dont understand football its real simple Saban wants flexability in his defense however his "base defense" is about over and under "shifting" his DL and having a LB on the LOS(line of scrimmage) thus getting 5 men on the LOS, just as a 3-4 front.

So that its fully understood in Saban's previous defense's (LSU & MSU) he had a DT playing a tilt or stunt technique over the C, then had an under DT playing the shoulder of either G (depending on if the line was under or over shifted) with his DE's playing outside contain the SDE would play over the SOT just inside the TE, with the WDE playing one man wide of the WOT.

Now that means nothing in terms of how Saban will set his NFL defensive fronts but the point I wanted to make was that in understanding how he had his 4-3 fronts align
you get a similair effect as the 3-4, but in the end it doesnt matter 3-4...4-3 its more about technique and pursuit and tackling not fancy x's & o's.

 

[byroan]

We're not going to be a base 3-4 team. Saban is not a base 3-4 coach. He's never ran the 3-4. It will be a hybrid.

 

[Megatron]

We're not going to be a base 3-4 team. Saban is not a base 3-4 coach. He's never ran the 3-4. It will be a hybrid.

There's the quote I was searching for. 4 months ago when it was discussed the point of view was that Saban would never run a 3-4 scheme in any way shape or form. Now it's called a hybrid 3-4 not a real 3-4. When we end up playing the majority of a game with it what will it be then a possible 3-4 not a real 3-4??

 

[Megatron]

Megatron

Dont go getting all excited over a "mini-camp" BTW look at who they had playing OLB in many of those fronts( Taylor, D.Bowans) if you dont think for a minute OC's around the league wouldnt be licking their chops at a chance to attack Taylor or Bowans on an every down occasion if they where going to be the OLB's you dont know football.

And I will say it again "Saban doesnt run a base 3-4" I am tired of all you media marks who dont understand football its real simple Saban wants flexability in his defense however his "base defense" is about over and under "shifting" his DL and having a LB on the LOS(line of scrimmage) thus getting 5 men on the LOS, just as a 3-4 front.

So that its fully understood in Saban's previous defense's (LSU & MSU) he had a DT playing a tilt or stunt technique over the C, then had an under DT playing the shoulder of either G (depending on if the line was under or over shifted) with his DE's playing outside contain the SDE would play over the SOT just inside the TE, with the WDE playing one man wide of the WOT.

Now that means nothing in terms of how Saban will set his NFL defensive fronts but the point I wanted to make was that in understanding how he had his 4-3 fronts align
you get a similair effect as the 3-4, but in the end it doesnt matter 3-4...4-3 its more about technique and pursuit and tackling not fancy x's & o's.

I'm not reading a damn thing into the minicamps. I'm looking at the players on our roster and I believe Saban is too. Also as a student of the game Saban will have seen what defenses have been most successful in recent years and he will see 3-4 defenses.

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

There's the quote I was searching for. 4 months ago when it was discussed the point of view was that Saban would never run a 3-4 scheme in any way shape or form. Now it's called a hybrid 3-4 not a real 3-4. When we end up playing the majority of a game with it what will it be then a possible 3-4 not a real 3-4??

who said that Saban will not run a 3-4 cheme in any way shape or form? People said that 3-4 will not be the base defense. That it will be 4-3.

 

[byroan]

There's the quote I was searching for. 4 months ago when it was discussed the point of view was that Saban would never run a 3-4 scheme in any way shape or form. Now it's called a hybrid 3-4 not a real 3-4. When we end up playing the majority of a game with it what will it be then a possible 3-4 not a real 3-4??

That's the thing. It won't be run the majority of the game. I can't speak for anyone else but I've never said we wouldn't see the 3-4 at all. I just know we won't be a base 3-4 team. The majority of defensive plays will be in the 4-3.

 

[Megatron]

That's the thing. It won't be run the majority of the game. I can't speak for anyone else but I've never said we wouldn't see the 3-4 at all. I just know we won't be a base 3-4 team. The majority of defensive plays will be in the 4-3.

The majority of our defensive plays will be nickle and dime actually. If a 3-4 base is being effective in defeating an opponent in a game are you going to move away from it??????

 

[ch19079]

the 3-4 base defense will NOT be the dolphins base defense.

you will use the 4-3 as a base defense.

but will occasionaly switch quickly at the line to a 3-4 D to confuse the O-Line and QB. this will allow more sacks and pressure on the QB.

doing this will force other teams O-Lines to spend time preparing for those 3 or 4 times in a game when you will quickly switch to the 3-4. this time will take away from time other teams could have spent on there normal preperation.

 

[Megatron]

the 3-4 base defense will NOT be the dolphins base defense.

you will use the 4-3 as a base defense.

but will occasionaly switch quickly at the line to a 3-4 D to confuse the O-Line and QB. this will allow more sacks and pressure on the QB.

doing this will force other teams O-Lines to spend time preparing for those 3 or 4 times in a game when you will quickly switch to the 3-4. this time will take away from time other teams could have spent on there normal preperation.

The truth of the matter is no one knows yet.

 

[PhinstiGator]

...Brian Billick when he changed the Ravens to a 3-4 after winning the Superbowl with the 4-3 said the reason he did it was because they were stronger at LB. What he meant was they had to get the best players on the field.

That was STUPID. They had one of the best defenses to ever play the game and he decided to switch it. Not for long. He decided to change back to a 4-3 this year. Smart move.

...Carter and Holliday are not pass rushing ends just to burst that bubble. And we are clearly not running Wanny's COVER2 4-3 base scheme anymore. SO my question is why are you experts so sure we won't be running a heavy dose of 3-4 when all signs clearly state we will.

Huh? Wannstedt always moved the Carter/Holiday type of DE to the inside on passing downs. In our current base 4-3, it will likely be JT on one side and D.Bowens/Roth on the other side on obvious passing situations.

Our newly designed defense will be more disguised, versatile, and unpredictable. Trying to peg it as a 3-4 could never be accurate. It's much more than that. The fronts will change constantly. It's likely to continue to be as Saban has done in the past and by using the bigger guys up front the majority of the game.