The Case for Chad Henne and the Long Ball

[dolphone]

What was obvious to me from that is that Henne throws a lot more interceptions than touchdowns when he throws past the line of scrimmage.

And Sanchez does just the opposite.....he throws more touchdowns than interceptions.

Touchdowns is how you score and win games in this league right? Sorry, Henne was solidly number 4 among AFC East quarterbacks last year.
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From "Football Outsiders Almanac 2011":

All told, the Football Outsiders game charting project marked 15 dropped interceptions for (Mark) Sanchez in 2010.

And also:

Chad Henne had 19 interceptions, but only one dropped interception.

 

[Sirspud]

Awful....no. 2 in most categories....well the poster when back and compared him to the elite..hmmm..he's not bad, and didn't have the weapons these teams had..

The Case Chad Henne and the Long Ball - Part 2


bottomline as you read the article.

Quarterback
------------------Behind Line of Scrimmage -----1-10 yards--- 11-20 yards---- 21-30 yards--- 31-40 yards--- 41+ yards
Chad Henne----- ----------74.6% ------------------65.0% ---------58.3%---------- 25.0%----------- 15.4%------ 33.3%
Drew Brees ----------------83.3% ------------------72.3%--------- 56.9% ----------44.1%----------- 46.7%------- 9.1%
Peyton Manning----------- 90.6%------------------ 74.4%--------- 51.6% -----------28.3% -----------33.3%------ 0.0%
Matt Ryan------------------ 78.8%------------------ 69.3%--------- 52.0%----------- 22.2% -----------50.0%------ 28.6%
Jay Cutler------------------ 77.8%------------------- 69.2%-------- 49.0% -----------22.9% ------------28.6%------ 28.6%

Chad's problem is between 20-40, but 41+, he's better than the elite..they don't hit it allow either...and I'd probably said their 20-40 is guys with yac..

No, no, no, there is absolutely nothing there that says anything about Chad Henne's ability to throw long. Whoever wrote that article found a bunch of stats, and then wrote a bunch of stuff before he posted the numbers about henne looking good when there is nothing in those numbers.

Henne was AWFUL, unfilitered and unadutlerated AWFUL, on passes between 31-40 yards. 2 of 13 passes complete? 2 interceptions in 13 attempts, NO TD's?

And you can interpret 1 of 3 over 41 yards however you want- there is nothing there that says Henne can throw a deep ball more than once in two years, and given a small sample size, you can't attribute anything to Henne.

Henne has thrown 40 passes above 21 yards and only completed 9 (a pathetic 22 percent completion rate, even as most of these are only 21-30), while throwing only 1 TD with 3 interceptions. That's bad, bad, bad. If you can't see that just because some site tried to break down numbers in such a way that in small subsets Henne might have had similar stats to better QB's, then you are blind.

 

[Sirspud]

From "Football Outsiders Almanac 2011":



And also:

Only 1 dropped interception? Perhaps its because as we have seen time and again, Henne throws some of the most beautiful passes to a defender that they could hope for. Besides, many other QB's had the benefit of facing our handless secondary, thus skewing the numbers a little bit.

 

[dolphone]

Only 1 dropped interception? Perhaps its because as we have seen time and again, Henne throws some of the most beautiful passes to a defender that they could hope for. Besides, many other QB's had the benefit of facing our handless secondary, thus skewing the numbers a little bit.

Considering Fitzpatrick had 6 dropped INTs, and Brady 5, it's not an issue of our secondary. Mark Sanchez had the most INTs dropped in the league, and by a huge margin: the difference between him and #2 Palmer (9) is the same as between Palmer and #28 (tied between several players).

No one threw for as many passes as Henne (hell, not even over 400 attempts) and had as few dropped INTs. And the percentage of dropped INTs compared to his actual INTs is tremendous, good for leading the league.

Trying to compare Sanchez to Henne has to consider one had fantastic luck, and the other had it awful.

 

[armyphin]

Good Lord some people have 0 common sense. Henne has proven to suck for years in games that actually count. Until he shows that he can be a good QB in real games than he still sucks and has proven nothing. If you disagree than you are wrong and don't understand football. Period

Or it could be an issue of matching the right QB with the right system. It's been covered to death the number of QB's who have started off slow or sucked with certain teams only to move to a new team and find success. Us Homers are hoping that will be the case with Henne.

 

[mega-fin-love]

Or it could be an issue of matching the right QB with the right system. It's been covered to death the number of QB's who have started off slow or sucked with certain teams only to move to a new team and find success. Us Homers are hoping that will be the case with Henne.

I hope Henne is one of the few as well. The point is that preseason doesnt mean crap. Anyone that knows football knows that Henne has sucked in real games. 3 quarters of preseason doesnt mean anything. Henne has not even played very well in the 3 quarters of preseason. People are acting like he has been putting up 100 QB ratings or something. He hasnt even put up a 90 QB rating. Only delusional people would think that all of the sudden Henne is gonna be a monster or even above average. Henne and good QB should not ever be in the same sentence until he strings together several regular season or playoff games in a row with QB ratings in the 90's. Until then he sucks and it really is that simple.