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The case for Tannenbaum

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Let me preface this all by saying that I'm every bit as much of a disenfranchised Miami Dolphin fan as the rest of you. I've been a fan of this team for over 30 years and it breaks my heart to see where we have fallen to. I only say this because I feel my following post will have me accused of seeing things through Aqua and Orange colored glasses. I promise you, that's not the case. I legitimately BELIEVE in most of what has happened this offseason. It may get me roasted, but here's my take:

Letting Vernon walk: Not only was it the right thing to do considered the $85 million Mega-Deal Vernon got in the open market, it was also very astute of our FO to pull the Transition tag on Vernon ensuring that we will see a 3rd round comp pick next year. Another slant on this is to look at what Belichek and New England just did with Chandler Jones. A talented pass-rushing DE who's only a year older than Vernon, has put up better sack #'s over the same period of time as Vernon, and will be a Free Agent coming up next offseason. NE undoubtedly saw the deal Vernon just signed and knew the bar has been set for Jones' new contract. With the other impending FA's NE has coming up (especially on Defense), they made the call to trade Jones for a Guard and a 2nd round pick. I'm reading NFL.com and ESPN and seeing their writers talk about how ahead of the curve BB is and how it's a genius move. I can only shudder to think what would happen if last year Miami had traded Vernon for a 2nd round pick and an Offensive Lineman that missed his 1st year with a broken leg, and sat the bench his 2nd year while his coach called him out several times in the media over the course of the season. Did Miami let homegrown talent leave? Yes, but sometimes you get in a position where a guy is going to get vastly overpaid and you're not in a position to cripple your franchise moving forward by matching that contract. Miami's answer to this was Mario Williams. An older player who has been an enigma at times, but has also shown extremely explosive production during good stretches of his career. I think we easily forget that a good portion Vernon's career, he's been a bit of an enigma for us Miami fans. The long and short of it: I agree with T'baum's decision to let Vernon walk away and take the gamble on Mario William's in the short term, while netting us an extra 3rd round pick in the process.

The Running Back situation: While it's a bummer that the CJ Anderson deal did not work out for us, we talk all the time about how RB is the easiest "plug and play" position to fill on any given NFL roster. A lot of our concerns will be negated if Jay Ajayi's knee holds up. I think he is easily a starting level talent at RB in the NFL. You also have to assume at this point that Miami will sign one of the veteran RB's out there for depth as well as selecting a RB at some point in the upcoming draft. Let's say for the sake of argument that Miami signs Chris Johnson and drafts a RB in the 3rd round this year. Going into the season we'd have a stable of Ajayi, Johnson, and a rookie RB that combined will be costing us less than what Lamar Miller is making in Houston next season. To top that off, we will be receiving another comp pick in this situation which for me makes the moves justifiable. And off topic, but getting back to CJ Anderson, many consider John Elway to be a genius but look at how bad he mismanaged that situation. He could have easily slapped a 2nd round tender on CJ and gotten him back for less than half of what Miami ended up signing him to on the offer sheet. Instead, he puts the lowest tender on CJ and costs his Cap-Strapped team about an extra $4 million against the cap this year alone.

The Maxwell/Alonso trade: I'm not a huge fan of dropping from 8th to 13th to make this deal happen. While I am Pro-T'Baum in this post, I will admit that I feel like if Miami wanted to gamble on these 2 player and were willing to drop 5 spots in the draft to do so, they should have at least gotten a 3rd or 4th round pick back for their troubles. With that being said, I can stomach the idea of these 2 guys being on our roster. With Alonso, there's questions of health, and we won't know how this goes until we actually see it play out, but there's no denying that if healthy, he's immediately the best LB on a team that is starved for LB talent. I also like the move of extending Alonso for the extra year, ensuring he's not a 1-year rental, as well as giving him some peace of mind that Miami is "home". Byron Maxwell is an overpaid CB who we've basically targeted as Brent Grimes replacement. Again, we'll have to see how this plays out but obviously the conversation between our FO and coaching staff is that Maxwell is a good player who was a bad system fit in Philly. Personally, I don't think there was a DB coach getting more out of his position unit than Vance Joseph over the past few years and I'd like to think that there is no way Miami does this deal without Joseph's seal of approval. Obviously, we feel that Maxwell was misused last year and there's a strong case to be made that players on both sides of the ball were being misused by Chip Kelly during his tenure in Philly. Again, it's a wait and see proposition, but I can at least see the reasoning on why these 2 players were acquired.

The Guard Position: Obviously, we haven't done anything here yet, and that's concerning. With that being said, just because we didn't pay one of the higher end FA's at the Guard position doesn't mean that we won't be addressing it at some point. My best guess is that it comes in the form of a Veteran like Vasquez and a draft pick. Either way, I'm willing to wait and see who we bring in. It's an incomplete grade at this point. That being said, if the Guard position is not addressed adequately and we are once again depending on Dallas Thomas as a starter when we head into 2016, I will be the first fan carrying the pitchfork.

Overall, I'm happy Miami hasn't gone crazy in FA and thrown huge contracts at guys. For me, the decisions to let certain guys walk and the plan on how to replace them has been measured, and actually backed with some logic in regards to how to build this team moving forward. They key to all of this will be, how well does T'Baum draft? The comp picks in 2017 for Vernon and Miller are nice, but they don't mean much at all of we don't hit on those picks. It also looms large on T'Baum heading into this years draft. With OG, Corner, RB, and LB still being huge needs for Miami, we simply can't afford to miss as often as we have in the past. IMO, Miami has been the worst drafting team in the NFL over the past decade and this is reason #1 we see our team as dysfunctional. While ownership and coaching are big factors, nothing is more important than finally getting to the point in which our FO can identify and select players that are Day 1 starters on this team that immediately improve our roster. If we can do that, all of a sudden T'Baum's offseason decisions actually look pretty damned logic.
 
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If Bushrod transitions to guard and plays well...
If Mario regains his maturity and becomes a team guy...
If Ajayi's knee holds up...
If Wake's ankle heals up...
If TWO cornerbacks fall from heaven and play lights out...
If the same pedestrian linebackers we had last year somehow play much better with a rookie DC...
If Tannehill works well with the QB whisperer...
If Gase is not Philby II...
If we land at least three solid to fantastic starters in the draft...

We might be better than the 6-10 disappointment that we were last season. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised but anybody who sees a better team right now than the one that stumbled last season should tell me what he's drinking because I really really want to see it for myself. I can't imagine how good a draft we need to have to plug all of the holes I see on this team. But good for you if you do.

I"m not trolling, either; I love my team. But it's hard to be optimistic with our current state.
 
Good writeup, Aquaman. I appreciate the work you put into presenting your point of view. I was open to seeing how T would do and didn't crucify him from the get go. However, some of the people who were critical from the start are looking good right now. The decisions this offseason seem random and haphazard. They are collecting very low compensation picks that do not match the respective lost players. I mean, you'd rather have a young two-down DE in Shelby than a sixth rounder. Same deal on the 5th rounder for Lamar Miller, one of the few Dolphin running backs from the draft that worked well. After all the Daniel Thomas failures, they get one right and blow the contract. Incongruously, while they are working for compensation picks, they are signing geriatrics up and down the roster.

Beyond that, after losing Clay and Odrick last year, and numerous others while Grier has been here (Langford, Smith, Carroll, et al), the Dolphins didn't learn a dag gum thing and blew it by not extending good players early.

Look at what the Patriots do. They extend guys like Gronk and others at manageable deals while they can. They traded Chandler Jones for major value before he left the coop.

The Dolphins are running around with their heads cut off, erratically making moves.
 
I thank you for taking the time to post.

Honestly, it's just as much on the coaches as it is on the past GMs at this point. We've had decent talent leave and find more success elsewhere, and there is an argument to be made of this team failing miserably to shepherd their young talent to place where they can reach success. You aren't this bad for this long without a multi-departmental cluster ****.

At this point there is no other way at looking at it: This team is taking a breather this offseason. It's refusing to overpay anyone and seems quite happy with letting players come and go if they aren't at the right price. If I were to diagnose it, I'd say it's a symptom of having a completely overhauled coaching staff that doesn't know what they have to work with yet and is more hesitant than most to make/allow big moves without time to assess.

We all are in agreement that Gase is a genius if he can turn this franchise around with the lack of new pieces (and departing pieces) this offseason. 8-8 would be a major achievement and would speak to getting more out of the players than most could.

If the Dolphins would do something...ANYTHING...at guard the fans would be a little more gentle. As it stands right now, Tannenbaum is public enemy #1 because of his failure to address the team's biggest weakness.
 
Dude is the best GM we have had in a long long time! But more than that, he is proving to be one of the best in the league, one of the best a team can ever wish for!
 
If Miami has a good year next year I'll be a big believer in Gase. I'd also be able to predict the MVP. So here it is, IF we finish with 8 wins or more, the Miami Dolphins 2016 MVP..... the trainer.
 
Gotta hope Gase is the man everything else has been a disaster under Tannabaum so far
 
Appreciate the post, but I'm not sure how this offseason can be considered anything but a mess so far.

I'm ok with Vernon leaving at that contact. I'm fine with Williams replacing him as well.

I'm even ok with Miller going. I think Ajayi will do well and I'm confident we can pick up a complimentary back to share the workload, either in free agency or a late round pick.

The rest of the moves are baffling at best. How do you not address the Oline? Our guards are atrocious and our overall depth along the oline is awful. You simply can't go into the season with Dallas the turnstile starting. That should've been priorty one. I don't care if you think that you have a solution in house (which I can't see how they could think that) you bring in some options, and worse case they end up adding depth.

Possibly more egregious is eagles trade. I'm ok with the trade in the sense of taking a shot on a couple of players that may be able to turn it around. My problem is the compensation. How in the holy hell do you give the eagles that kind of compensation for a salary dump and chronically injured player??? What did we get for Wallace? For Ellerby? We got **** all.

Just feels like there's no plan and we're just winging it. It's not confidence inspiring to say the least.
 
Tannenbaum's a clueless ass clown.

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Is there some deeper meaning to a pro-tannenbaum case made all in fine print?

I would have been thrilled if we'd gotten for OV what the Patsies got for Jones. The contract OV landed shows the kind of value he had in this league. I have no interest in the Dolphins paying that, but the return should have been substantially more than a compensatory 3rd. The Pats showed how it's done.
 
remember when Tannunboob cut Chad Pennington in 2008? We made the playoffs and they didn't....
the guy just doesn't get it right.
 
Is there some deeper meaning to a pro-tannenbaum case made all in fine print?

I would have been thrilled if we'd gotten for OV what the Patsies got for Jones. The contract OV landed shows the kind of value he had in this league. I have no interest in the Dolphins paying that, but the return should have been substantially more than a compensatory 3rd. The Pats showed how it's done.

Unlike Vernon, Jones has shown elite ability his whole career. Vernon hasn't but barely 8 games.

Big difference.
 
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