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The case that Brian Hartline is our big red zone target

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If you watch the tape on Hartline he always uses his hands (not his body) to catch the ball. What you never see is Tannehill ever throwing him fade routes in the end zone that he can go up and get. He's 6,2 and has great hands.... why hasn't this happened? I'm not saying there aren't better options via the draft, but with our needs along the online and running back there is no reason to think we have zero red zone threats. FYI. Clay is 6,3. Why can't these guys go up and get it?
 
FYI I'm 6'2. I could be balling because I can catch like a mofo. I've watched some tape and for real Clay can break a tackle on occasion. Also did you know Hartline is pretty good. I mean that guy can catch football if we pass it to him and it hits his hands. After that he falls down and takes a little rest to get ready for the next one.
 
I guess these guys our scrubs? Hartline went for over 1,000 yards for the second year in row.
 
Show me the film when he's been given the opportunity and failed and I will agree with you.
 
I saw great things from Matthews and Gibson last year before they got injured.

Hartline MUST step it up this year or else we need to look for someone to replace him.
 
He's a number 2 receiver that has delivered back to back 1,000 yard seasons. What are you talking about? Where exactly does he need to step up?
 
Slow motions in a field that is smaller.. He has no quick twitch ability to even make space in the redzone unless its a busted play. Even than he normally makes a great catch with hands while the defender has good position
 
If you watch the tape on Hartline he always uses his hands (not his body) to catch the ball. What you never see is Tannehill ever throwing him fade routes in the end zone that he can go up and get. He's 6,2 and has great hands.... why hasn't this happened? I'm not saying there aren't better options via the draft, but with our needs along the online and running back there is no reason to think we have zero red zone threats. FYI. Clay is 6,3. Why can't these guys go up and get it?

Hard to go up and get it when your constantly falling down.
 
I guess these guys our scrubs? Hartline went for over 1,000 yards for the second year in row.

1000 yard seasons are the minimum marker for a successful season. If a receiver doesnt hit 1k yards, its generally assumed that the player had a poor year.

Easily the biggest trick Jeff Ireland played on this fan base was convincing people that mediocrity is something to celebrate. Hartline is "just a guy". If we were to cut him tomorrow, we could find someone to replace him with little difficulty. If we were to cut him, it would not leave a gaping wound on this franchise that would take us years to recover from. Hell, one could make the argument we already have a better player on the roster: Brandon Gibson. And he only makes half of Hartline's salary.
 
He's constantly falling down, yet he's put back to back 1,000 yard seasons together. He's supposed to be a number 2 wr.... He's a number one on any other team in the AFC East. Tell me he wouldn't go for 1300 yards and 10 tds with Brady at the helm.
 
He's constantly falling down, yet he's put back to back 1,000 yard seasons together. He's supposed to be a number 2 wr.... He's a number one on any other team in the AFC East. Tell me he wouldn't go for 1300 yards and 10 tds with Brady at the helm.

He wouldnt go for 1300 yards and 10 tds.

And even if he did, that still wouldnt be as good as what Josh Gordon did this past season with a 3 headed monster at quarterback, drama on the sidelines and front office, and only playing in 14 games.

Great players succeed in a variety of situations, not just when they are handed a golden opportunity and everything goes their way. If we have the chance to get a great player at receiver, we should take it. Because we dont have one now.
 
Hartline's career touchdown production backs up this theory.
 
Here's a link to some great info regarding wr size and their redzone success. We need a big target, but what's big? Let's have a look...

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/46279/311/wr-size--and--red-zone-efficiency

Very obvious relationship between height and red zone efficiency. Overall, wide receivers who stand 6’3” or taller have converted over 27 percent of all red zone targets into scores, compared to 22 percent for receivers 6’0” or shorter - meaning on any given red zone target, a tall receiver is over 20 percent more likely to score than a short one. That’s a significant difference.

The numbers are even more distorted if we sort by weight. While wide receivers checking in below 196 pounds have converted fewer than 20.9 percent of their red zone targets into touchdowns, those weighing 217 pounds or more have recorded a 28.4 percent red zone touchdown rate. That means the heaviest receivers are 35.9 percent more likely than the lightest receivers to convert a red zone target into a touchdown.

That suggests that weight is a better predictor of wide receiver scoring than height, which is represented in the overall numbers. The strength of the correlation between wide receiver height and red zone efficiency is 0.29. That’s strong, but not nearly as high as the correlation coefficient for weight and red zone efficiency—0.40. Height and weight themselves are of course strongly correlated (0.73), so there’s really good evidence that while height certainly helps pass-catchers in the red zone, weight is more important.

I’m assuming the heaviest receivers are also the best in the red zone because they’re also usually the strongest. Height and leaping ability probably help in certain situations, but wide receivers see far more “regular” targets than jump balls. Because of that—the fact that heavier receivers can shield off defenders and use their bodies to help them make plays on the football—I think we see the numbers come out the way they do.

Here's a list of our guys. 1 guy (Binns) meets the height requirement & none meet the weight requirement

Hartline 6-2 - 199
Matthews 6-0 - 210
Moore 6-0 - 190
Wallace 6-0 - 199
Binns 6-3 - 209
Gibson 6-0 - 205

Guys in this years draft who meet the height/weight requirement of 6-3, 217lbs (h/w from combine)

(ranking from cbssports website)

#2 Mike Evans - TAMU 6-4 - 231
#4 Kelvin Benjamin - FSU 6-5 - 240
#22 Brandon Coleman - Rutgers 6-6 - 225
#25 Jeff Janis - Saginaw V St. 6-3 - 219
#28 Cody Hoffman - BYU 6-4 - 223
#35 Marcus Lucas - Mizzu 6-4 - 218


*The good thing is if we were to spend a later rnd pick on a wr, most of the guys who meet the requirements will be there
 
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