The Catalyst for Tannehill's Transformation

[LDaniel7]

Trent Green was only mentioning it every 30 seconds because that's how often Tannehill was making a bad throw in the first half. Tannehill was off on almost every single throw, Trent Green was just calling it like it was, don't get so defensive when it's not justified.

No he wasn't. If he had been "calling it like it was" he'd have had FAR more poor throws of Brady's to harp about.

He didn't.

End of story.

LD

 

[Sirspud]

I don't correlate Tannehill's accuracy and pass rush. Now obviously if a QB is pressured he will make a bad throw on that play, but during his career Tannehill has had times where even throwing the ball on a quick trigger he is putting the ball where it needs to be, while other times he is not getting touched and he just seems off entirely.

 

[LDaniel7]

I don't correlate Tannehill's accuracy and pass rush. Now obviously if a QB is pressured he will make a bad throw on that play, but during his career Tannehill has had times where even throwing the ball on a quick trigger he is putting the ball where it needs to be, while other times he is not getting touched and he just seems off entirely.

How many young QBs would still be in the league as starters and potentially great players while having Tannehill's first two years as their "development?"

While getting as few snaps at QB in college?

Tannehill's first two years are textbook in how NOT to develop a QB.

It's a miracle that he had more good throws than bad...

LD

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Trent Green was only mentioning it every 30 seconds because that's how often Tannehill was making a bad throw in the first half. Tannehill was off on almost every single throw, Trent Green was just calling it like it was, don't get so defensive when it's not justified.

I was extremely critical of RT's play in the first half and even I feel this is a gross exaggeration.

 

[Atila]

Sorry, I just noticed that the only times Trent Green mentioned his poor ball placement and accuracy, his throws were bad. He must have said it like 4-5x because that's how many times he placed a ball poorly.

I didn't see Trent Green **** talking him when he made a good play, there would be no reason to. He called him out every time it was a bad play, it just so happens that he had a lot of them in a short time span.

 

[j-off-her-doll]

Trent Green is a terrible announcer. I don't think he was intentionally trying to bag on Tannehill. For his position, Green just lacks the tact and speaking skills gracefully transition from one underlying subject to the next, so he repeats himself A LOT, and when it's negative, it comes off as bagging on a player.

Atila is right that Green wasn't making up stuff. All of the inaccurate throws he called were, in fact, inaccurate. He was quick to praise Tannehill for making a good play; he even praised his throwaways.

 

[LDaniel7]

Trent Green is a terrible announcer. I don't think he was intentionally trying to bag on Tannehill. For his position, Green just lacks the tact and speaking skills gracefully transition from one underlying subject to the next, so he repeats himself A LOT, and when it's negative, it comes off as bagging on a player.

Atila is right that Green wasn't making up stuff. All of the inaccurate throws he called were, in fact, inaccurate. He was quick to praise Tannehill for making a good play; he even praised his throwaways.

No one is saying that Green made stuff up or that Tanny wasn't inaccurate in the first half.

What we ARE saying is that Green was not "calling it like it was." Otherwise he'd have spent the whole second half talking about the historically bad performance from BRADY -- the WORST PERFORMANCE EVER ON throws past 15 yards. Or the worst performance since Moby Dick was a minnow.

Plenty there to highlight. Compounded bad throw after bad throw past 15 yards. 1 for 15 from Brady and it's not like there were many drops, as Tanny struggled w. -- Landry, Clay, Sims, and Wallace all dropping key throws down field.

Of the two QBs on the field, which one had a performance so bad (accuracy wise) that it will go into the history books? Only one: Brady.

Which QB got continually bagged on for inaccuracies? Only one: Tannehill.

And this by a QB that was not all-world by any means.

LD

 

[cleezy13]

We all know the first half was rough for the Dolphins and Tannehill. We know Tannehill's accuracy wasn't the best, and if we didn't, Trent Green made sure to let us know every thirty seconds. (Like he was something special)

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...iami-dolphins-new-offensive-line-start-strong





I know everyone would like to think it was because Moreno ran hard. And again, we can probably thank Green for saying that every thirty seconds.

But I'm kinda thinking this is what made the difference between the first and second half with Tannehill's play. When you've been beaten up as much as he has, there's gotta be something in the back of your mind telling you, "Throw it quick. You're about to get pounded."

Could it be that he's now realizing he doesn't have to expect to get hit every time he drops back, and now he can just focus on making the throw?

I agree 100% with what your saying it def has and did have an affect on him all he's known is drop back get pounded now he doesn't have to worry about it. Once he has that comfort level/trust knowing he won't get hit every play he can play more relaxed and take that aspect out of his head and your gonna see a completely diff player and those deep balls will start connecting as well.

 

[Atila]

No one is saying that Green made stuff up or that Tanny wasn't inaccurate in the first half.

What we ARE saying is that Green was not "calling it like it was." Otherwise he'd have spent the whole second half talking about the historically bad performance from BRADY -- the WORST PERFORMANCE EVER ON throws past 15 yards. Or the worst performance since Moby Dick was a minnow.

Plenty there to highlight. Compounded bad throw after bad throw past 15 yards. 1 for 15 from Brady and it's not like there were many drops, as Tanny struggled w. -- Landry, Clay, Sims, and Wallace all dropping key throws down field.

Of the two QBs on the field, which one had a performance so bad (accuracy wise) that it will go into the history books? Only one: Brady.

Which QB got continually bagged on for inaccuracies? Only one: Tannehill.

And this by a QB that was not all-world by any means.

LD

Well, if Brady wasn't an all-time great QB, they might have dogged on him more. When you're one of the best EVER, you're afforded leniency - in any sport ever. Do you think it would be wise for Marv Albert to **** on Michael Jordan if he had a 5-20 shooting night? No, bad games happen to great players, too.

In the second half I did hear Trent Green praising Tannehill A LOT, and while he wasn't ****ting on Brady as much as maybe he could, he definitely was more upbeat and positive about Tannehill.

You can't have it all, don't be so sensitive about Tannehill (and don't worry about Brady, he's not our QB who cares), he'll get his praise when he earns it. He started getting it in the 2nd half, that's all you can ask for and all you should be worried about.

 

[hoops]

i thought green brought value personally...he called it from a qbs perspective and for the most part i thought he was correct...i just dont know about that one in the flat that gumbel asked him"bad pass?"

i dont know if the play design calls for the rb to look over his outside or inside shoulder...cause it sure looked like tannehill was caught in the middle on where to throw it...

he called out a brady throw into triple coverage trying to force a ball to gronk most people in the viewing audience wouldn't have ever picked up on and some other things from the eyes of a qb...it's way better than some of those other clowns they got doing games and giving you nothing but fluff common sense stuff

i'm sure he did give brady the benefit of the doubt on some things given the guys an all time great and tannehills still trying to define his career..

 

[LDaniel7]

Well, if Brady wasn't an all-time great QB, they might have dogged on him more. When you're one of the best EVER, you're afforded leniency - in any sport ever. Do you think it would be wise for Marv Albert to **** on Michael Jordan if he had a 5-20 shooting night? No, bad games happen to great players, too.

In the second half I did hear Trent Green praising Tannehill A LOT, and while he wasn't ****ting on Brady as much as maybe he could, he definitely was more upbeat and positive about Tannehill.

You can't have it all, don't be so sensitive about Tannehill (and don't worry about Brady, he's not our QB who cares), he'll get his praise when he earns it. He started getting it in the 2nd half, that's all you can ask for and all you should be worried about.

You're missing my point.

Frankly, I don't care if Trent Green is a douche and can't announce a game to save his life.

I'm just reacting against those supposed Fin fans who act as if Trent was "calling it like it is." That, my friend, is a sack full of crap.

He was trying to earn his paycheck by blowing Tannehill's struggles not only out of the context of the immediate game, but outside the context of normal QB play itself.

AND outside the context of his own play. Pull up any of his game tape from his career. Now ask youself if there was a single time after playing that way that he spent half an hour after the game talking about how crappy each completion's ball placement was. Please.

LD

 

[enigmatics]

You're missing my point.

Frankly, I don't care if Trent Green is a douche and can't announce a game to save his life.

I'm just reacting against those supposed Fin fans who act as if Trent was "calling it like it is." That, my friend, is a sack full of crap.

He was trying to earn his paycheck by blowing Tannehill's struggles not only out of the context of the immediate game, but outside the context of normal QB play itself.

AND outside the context of his own play. Pull up any of his game tape from his career. Now ask youself if there was a single time after playing that way that he spent half an hour after the game talking about how crappy each completion's ball placement was. Please.

LD

You really believe Trent Green gets paid to bash Tannehill? Is it a tier system or does it happen on a bash-by-bash basis?

 

[miamiron]

He played better in the second half and while I was very disappointed with his play in the first half, I was very encouraged in a glass half full kind of way to see him pick it up in the second half.

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The first half Tanny was 10-15 for a 66.7 % completion rate
while in the second half he was 8-17 for a 47.1 completion %

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

The first half Tanny was 10-15 for a 66.7 % completion rate
while in the second half he was 8-17 for a 47.1 completion %

He had several throwaways and some ugly drops in the 2nd half, not to mention two incompletions that should have been pass interference.

The numbers do not always tell the full story, and in this case I do think he played better in the 2nd half even though his numbers were not as good.

 

[LDaniel7]

You really believe Trent Green gets paid to bash Tannehill? Is it a tier system or does it happen on a bash-by-bash basis?

Are you intentionally trying to miss my point or are you just naturally obtuse?

Don't make me break out my Venerable Enigmatics pic, lol.

Off course Trent Green doesn't get paid to bash Tanny. He gets paid to color announce football games. Which he did so WAY out of balance (and demonstrably provable w. key stats -- historically bad game by Brady, but that never got pointed out at all). But that still isn't the point.

The point I'm reacting against is some fans on here acting as if Trent Green called an objective game -- as if what came out of his mouth and what did not come out of his mouth was rooted in fact and in the context of the overall game.

Fans who believe that Trent even remotely approached objective QB analysis are provably, remarkably wrong.

That's the point.

LD