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Saban is smarter and has balls. Saban isn't afraid to cut popular players like Madison and make moves he feels is best for the team. Seriously look at the sack on this guy, we currently don't have a LT, a starting QB, and the entire secondary is gutted. He believes in his abilities and he is going for it.

Now rewind back to the Jimmy days. I beleive Jimmy's biggest mistake involved Dan Marino. There are two things Jimmy could have done about Dan and that was either cut him and rebuild or utilize dans abilities. Jimmy did neither, he tried to force his system and beliefs on dan by doing things like making the offense a run first and taking dan's audable abilities away.

Now back to Saban, I really doubt Saban would have made the same mistake. Whatever he would of decided about dan, he would have done it and not looked back. This thread is not about dan, its about comparing saban and Jimmy. I was a big Jimmy fan but at this point in time Saban is making Jimmy look really bad.
 
first let me say i hated...HATED...jimmy johnson. I think he was an overhyped piece of ....fill in David Wells comments here. I think Saban would have utilized Marino the way Marino was built and slowly implemented his schemes into Marinos style. He would have built a running offense but not at the expense of Dan. he would have likely instilled the game with proof that it worked which is why Dan didnt buy into Jimmys offense of run first. The John Avery thing was a joke and Dan knew it.
 
After he arrived, Jimmy cut a slew of veterans that were still in their prime just to show that he was the new boss in town. He was one obstinate SOB.
 
Who were the slew of veterans still in their prime?
 
Saban2005 said:
Who were the slew of veterans still in their prime?
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Some of the players he either let go or didn't try to resign.
Troy Vincent, Marco Coleman, Bryan Cox, Irving Fryar and Keith Byers.
 
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Some of the players he either let go or didn't try to resign.
Troy Vincent, Marco Coleman, Bryan Cox, Irving Fryar and Keith Byers.
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i belive your right
 
Saban2005 said:
Saban is smarter and has balls. Saban isn't afraid to cut popular players like Madison and make moves he feels is best for the team. Seriously look at the sack on this guy, we currently don't have a LT, a starting QB, and the entire secondary is gutted. He believes in his abilities and he is going for it.

Now rewind back to the Jimmy days. I beleive Jimmy's biggest mistake involved Dan Marino. There are two things Jimmy could have done about Dan and that was either cut him and rebuild or utilize dans abilities. Jimmy did neither, he tried to force his system and beliefs on dan by doing things like making the offense a run first and taking dan's audable abilities away.

Now back to Saban, I really doubt Saban would have made the same mistake. Whatever he would of decided about dan, he would have done it and not looked back. This thread is not about dan, its about comparing saban and Jimmy. I was a big Jimmy fan but at this point in time Saban is making Jimmy look really bad.
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There is one major difference between the two...talent evaluation. JJ never had a feel for players. He staked his claims of greatness in the draft on sheer numbers drafted, not necessarily talent, and in particular offensive talent. Saban's talent evaluation process is much more sound. When I refer to talent evaluation, I am including both FA and the draft. While JJ had a few good drafts, he never hit on FAs. In his first year, Saban has hit the jackpot in both areas. I realize that one year won't define Saban, but as to what we have to go on now, it's enough to make me see how poor JJ was in that area of responsibility.

Of course, for a career, you can't argue with the rings, but Saban will have his times...
 
History will not be kind to jimmah. He was an EXTREMELY poor game-day coach and was too stupid and stubborn to change his ways or admit that he made mistakes.

His forte was drafting talent. Joe Schmoe could have won SB's with Aikman and Emmitt and Irvin and that defensive talent. Joe Schmoe DID.

Take that talent away and jimmah was exposed as a fraud and an idiot who TOTALLY misused Marino.

The comment in this thread about how "he could have done 2 things with Dan, and did neither" should be bronzed and hung in the Finheaven Post Hall of Fame.

The sad part is that jimmah taught wannabe all he knows (nothing) and that wannabe was as bad a coach, with NO ability whatsoever to discern talent, so we had an idiot coach who couldn't draft then.

Saban inherited one of the biggest train wrecks ever in this league and is well on the way to turning it around.
 
you guys have it all wrong... from a jimmy j fan!

you are all wrong...

when jimmy came to town he chose the dolphins because Dan marino was here... he had the option of taking the tampa job instead.
Jimmy believed dan had gass left in the tank to make a run...

first off.. .Jimmy cut and traded a ton of the most tallented players in the nfl... not because he wanted to swing his balls but because this was the first year of the cap and shula had brought in every free agent and spent tons to make a run that was unsuccessfull...

so jimmy had to cut wood in order to get under the new cap.
now lets compare the dolphins to other teams in that same situation.. the 49rs and the cowboys... both teams eventualy had to cut to get out from over the cap... and both sucked... the 9rs still suck because of it.
under jimmys tuteledge... a bunch of rooks and washups never had a loosing season.. and jimmy set us up for the winning seasons we had at the end and after he left.

with all the rooks and washups that jimmy brought in... they struggled in the first couple of games because dan would audible and the new guys didnt know what the hell he was talking about... so jimmy ordered the offense simplified.... that included taking away the audibles...

so befor you guys start ranting... either remember back or ask someone who does
 
I somewhat agree with you guys,ithink nick saban is on a different level but some of that is because he is much hungrier. Jimmy did an excellent job with dallas,in large part because back then he didnt reach in the draft for a need like he did with miami.He thought he could turn players like john avery ,jj johnson,ciecel collins ,into superstars andeven admitted it after he retired.he was way 2 overconfident.But 2 say he coulnt evaluate talent is crazy. Does Jason Taylor ,Zach thomas,Sam Madison,Patrick Surtain ring a bell!
 
Saban2005 said:
Saban is smarter and has balls. Saban isn't afraid to cut popular players like Madison and make moves he feels is best for the team. Seriously look at the sack on this guy, we currently don't have a LT, a starting QB, and the entire secondary is gutted. He believes in his abilities and he is going for it.
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I essentially agree with you with a few caveats. I don't look at Madison's cutting as a sign of bravery, but rather a business decision that had to be made. He quite simply isn't worth what the 'Phins would have been paying him this year. Second, I think JJ had plenty of balls, but that might be even worse than no balls and no brains. He just read too many of his own press clippings and thought all he had to do was show up for Miami to become the second edition of Dallas.
Saban2005 said:
Now rewind back to the Jimmy days. I beleive Jimmy's biggest mistake involved Dan Marino. There are two things Jimmy could have done about Dan and that was either cut him and rebuild or utilize dans abilities. Jimmy did neither, he tried to force his system and beliefs on dan by doing things like making the offense a run first and taking dan's audable abilities away.
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I don't think there's even a close second to that one.
Well, trade him maybe, but simply cutting him wouldn't have been a bright move.
Saban2005 said:
I was a big Jimmy fan....
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JJ was an overhyped windbag who got lucky with the Herschel Walker trade (and, to a lesser extent, the Steve Walsh trade). Granted, he used the picks he got shrewdly for the most part, but if not for the sheer stupidity of the Vikes, he wouldn't have had them in the first place. Furthermore, it should have been evident to anyone who watched the meltdown/soap opera in Dallas that lead to his ouster have recognized that his own self-importance would likely inhibit his coaching abilities in the future. Personally, I felt at the time (and believe that the record supports this) that Dungy would have been a much better choice.
 
Jimmy had much stiffer hair.

But neither one of those guys had a Wannstache!
 
How do I start a new post? I have tried to find out, but I have been unsuccessful. There used to be a button. Please help.
 
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