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So far - to me a defining moment of this season - involves the end zone celebration by Hartline and company the ensuing penalty and then Philbin's post game response to the penalty.

This sequence to me says quite a bit.

First of all - when a team is losing at home - the celebration was considerably overdone. It speaks to a culture of bozo almost winning on this team. A more serious team views that moment as an important step in a process characterized by quiet, serious, no-nonsense effort. Pretending to do some collective team golf-put when you are losing speaks to a coach who has yet to will a more intense, blue collar work ethic in his team.

Second of all - for Philbin to then turn around and give Hartline mad hassle- in public - calling Hartline to task - speaks to Philbin's complete lack of awareness and willingness to take accountability for the lack of the proper culture to create WINS!

This is a pervasive crisis on Philbin's 3 years of coaching here in Miami. The Martin incident - his ignorance of the deep infected problems in his team spilled out into the media humiliating our organization on a level unheard of in our team history. His lack of awareness about Jordan and Jones and the drug issues. His lack of awareness about the offensive line problems that have haunted this team. Philbin is another in a long line of coaches destroying the fantastic Miami Dolphin history.


Philbin team looks AWEFUL the last two weeks. HIS team looks the same that it has the last two years.

We are on a trajectory for more mediocrity and to me this sequence of celebrating, getting penalized, and Philbin publicly calling out Hartline speaks to a coach in his death spins!

For me Philbin cannot move on fast enough!

We Dolphin fans DESERVE MORE!!!!!
 
He really doesn't bring anything to the table as a HC. The team always seems to come out of the locker flat. There's no emotion or energy. The team is making no progress under him.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Hartline the only one that does any real celebration when he scores (as far as a dance or that golf thing)...maybe because it is such a rare thing he can't help himself...
 
I think this is a bit of a reach!

When I saw what Hartline did....I was appalled. Not only because we were losing at home at the time, but because Hartline never does that BS. In my opinion, the ensuing penalty led to great field position for the Chiefs who marched down the field and scored a touchdown in response. Unacceptable....but I'm not sure how you put that behavior on the coach. I don't see this is a common issue or problem nor do I think we will see it again out of Hartline.

On the Martin / Incognito issue........I'm not sure how this is also on the coach when the other players in the locker room didn't even know it was going on. In fact, in my mind, this was just Martin not being able to deal with the stress of not playing well at left tackle and all the stuff about being bullied was after the fact.

Bottom line, I'm not thrilled with Philbin as the coach either....but these aren't the two issues I would point to for illustrate that.
 
I'm not saying Philbin is Don Shula but Hartline's TD celebration has nothing to do with Philbin. Bringing him over on the sideline and giving him **** for it was warranted since he was penalized for excessive celebration.
 
No coach is happy with any penalty, Philbin's reaction is typical, imo.
 
So far - to me a defining moment of this season - involves the end zone celebration by Hartline and company the ensuing penalty and then Philbin's post game response to the penalty.

This sequence to me says quite a bit.

First of all - when a team is losing at home - the celebration was considerably overdone. It speaks to a culture of bozo almost winning on this team. A more serious team views that moment as an important step in a process characterized by quiet, serious, no-nonsense effort. Pretending to do some collective team golf-put when you are losing speaks to a coach who has yet to will a more intense, blue collar work ethic in his team.

Second of all - for Philbin to then turn around and give Hartline mad hassle- in public - calling Hartline to task - speaks to Philbin's complete lack of awareness and willingness to take accountability for the lack of the proper culture to create WINS!

This is a pervasive crisis on Philbin's 3 years of coaching here in Miami. The Martin incident - his ignorance of the deep infected problems in his team spilled out into the media humiliating our organization on a level unheard of in our team history. His lack of awareness about Jordan and Jones and the drug issues. His lack of awareness about the offensive line problems that have haunted this team. Philbin is another in a long line of coaches destroying the fantastic Miami Dolphin history.


Philbin team looks AWEFUL the last two weeks. HIS team looks the same that it has the last two years.

We are on a trajectory for more mediocrity and to me this sequence of celebrating, getting penalized, and Philbin publicly calling out Hartline speaks to a coach in his death spins!

For me Philbin cannot move on fast enough!

We Dolphin fans DESERVE MORE!!!!!

I personally don't hold a grudge with Philbin for the bullygate situation. I can fathom that going unnoticed by a coach...I mean you just expect grown men to behave like men, not small kids. I certainly didn't expect something like "bullying" to go on in an NFL locker room. I didn't expect a guy (Martin aka snake) to get that far in that profession and have no backbone.

Hartline's celebration....first it was a just stupid celebration, I mean WTF did that mean? Golf? Just stupid and for THAT to cost us 15 yards was just the cherry on top. He has been in the league long enough, act like it. Spike the ball and go celebrate/high five your teammates thanking them for allowing him to score by doing their jobs....be professional.

Besides the poor time management, not showing confidence in the starters HE chose to start, and all the other things I have to complain about Philbin, the thing that bothers me most is his calling his players out in the media. Not what you want from your leader.
Not a good way to get your players behind you. You want to light a fire under someone's ass, bring him into the privacy of your office, chew them out, tell them if **** don't get better, changes will be made. But publicly, have your guys back...period.
 
Lol! This OP is bass ackwards. Blame the coach for the celebration, then blame him again for disciplining the player for it? That's nuts. I'm starting to believe Philbin needs to go, but the things people blame him for is ridiculous!
 
That Philbin disciplined him fine, but to publicly call him out - coupled with ZERO self reflection.

A real coach wonders aloud to the media - what am I doing or not doing that is conveying the message that my players are celebrating when we are losing?

That told me that this guy has no idea how to get his players on board to taking ownership because he has none.

Soldiers followed George Washington into the snow with no shoes on their feet to fight the mightiest army in the world.

Bryan Cox started fights on the field when people tried to did the dolphins in our home stadium.

Marco Coleman demanded to leave the dolphins -terry Kirby too when Shula left.



QUOTE=psfign;1065173261]Lol! This OP is bass ackwards. Blame the coach for the celebration, then blame him again for disciplining the player for it? That's nuts. I'm starting to believe Philbin needs to go, but the things people blame him for is ridiculous![/QUOTE]
 
I think this is a bit of a reach!

When I saw what Hartline did....I was appalled. Not only because we were losing at home at the time, but because Hartline never does that BS. In my opinion, the ensuing penalty led to great field position for the Chiefs who marched down the field and scored a touchdown in response. Unacceptable....but I'm not sure how you put that behavior on the coach. I don't see this is a common issue or problem nor do I think we will see it again out of Hartline.

On the Martin / Incognito issue........I'm not sure how this is also on the coach when the other players in the locker room didn't even know it was going on. In fact, in my mind, this was just Martin not being able to deal with the stress of not playing well at left tackle and all the stuff about being bullied was after the fact.

Bottom line, I'm not thrilled with Philbin as the coach either....but these aren't the two issues I would point to for illustrate that.

The OL coach on mike & mike clearly laid out why the martin fiasco happened under silence...he got demoted from LT.

you could make the argument that philbin has the ability to throw others under the bus via actions not words...
 
Great observation. From my perspective, Hartline was trying to be cool. He's a white guy who plays a black position and is trying to fit in. Fine, whatever. The important thing is that he cost us 15 yards for being stupid. Added to this, Philbin has the unenviable task of trying to maintain order and discipline while simultaneously "lightening up". A hard dichotomy to navigate. Bottom line: follow the rats, this ship's sinking.
 
That told me that this guy has no idea how to get his players on board to taking ownership because he has none.

That's the moment that told you Philbin wasn't a good HC? You're way late to the party. There have been a hundred "moments" before that one that should have convinced you. This one was minor compared to so many others.
 
Great observation. From my perspective, Hartline was trying to be cool. He's a white guy who plays a black position and is trying to fit in. Fine, whatever. The important thing is that he cost us 15 yards for being stupid. Added to this, Philbin has the unenviable task of trying to maintain order and discipline while simultaneously "lightening up". A hard dichotomy to navigate. Bottom line: follow the rats, this ship's sinking.

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Great observation. From my perspective, Hartline was trying to be cool. He's a white guy who plays a black position and is trying to fit in. Fine, whatever. The important thing is that he cost us 15 yards for being stupid. Added to this, Philbin has the unenviable task of trying to maintain order and discipline while simultaneously "lightening up". A hard dichotomy to navigate. Bottom line: follow the rats, this ship's sinking.

How racist of you.
 
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