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One rich guy has to really want to move the team, and 23 other rich guys have to agree to it.

That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
I sometimes wonder if moving isn't somewhere on the agenda for this Dolphins organization. It has frankly been a raw deal for the Dolphins as far back as I can remember. It used to be easy for someone outside of Florida to watch the football games, but the NFL has placed two other teams in cities that were key to the Dolphins. IMO, if they wanted NFL football on the south beach, then they shouldn't have allowed the Buccaneers and Jaguars to be so close in proximity. In conjunction with decades of losing, why would anyone in the state of Florida, aside from those in the Miami area, choose to be Dolphins fans?

I never wonder why that stadium looks half empty. Very few can remember a dominant Dolphins team. There are other teams poaching would-be fans just a couple of miles away. Most of Florida can't get televised Dolphins games. All that's left is to submit a request to relocate and rebrand, and I'm sure it will be quickly approved.

Lastly, I still can't believe the league approved the sell of the team to a friggin' Jets fan. Ponder on that one.
 
superphin said:
A new owner who wants a new stadium but is refused by the city of Miami and the contract to stay in Miami is going to end soon.

The fanbase to stop going to games like what happens to all NFL teams in LA thus causing the owner to lose a lot of money.

Our history is not going to prevent us from moving, the Browns were one of the OG teams in the NFL and they moved. Bottom line owners don't care about history, they care about money.
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I thought most of the money came in via the NFL from the sale to video media. Is that correct?
 
Aqua Marino (UK) said:
As a fellow Brit, I too wonder about this as our sports teams aren't franchised and the most recent move in soccer which saw Wimbledon (London) move to Milton Keynes (Not London) was met with massive negativity.

Ross has spent a fortune upgrading the stadium and it's usually on the list of SB cities when it comes to choosing the upcoming venue for future SB's. It may have even hosted the most in the modern era?

That can count for a lot too and the stadium is used for other events. The one thing I notice when watching the Fins is the stadium more often that not looks half empty. I wonder if this is due to team performance or kick off times as it's pretty darn hot in Miami at 1pm I would imagine.

The weirdest thing about moving the team would be what happens if a new Miami Dolphins emerges some years later like what happened to the Browns? Do you follow where the old Miami team moved to or support the reborn Miami team?

I have followed this team since around 1990 and wouldn't know what to do if they moved. I hope it never happens.
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It is much harder and (for the most part) impossible to move a European Club. European Clubs are deeply ingrained where they are through youth soccer on every level. The more common thing I see that a club would either fold or merge with another club but too is mostly on a lower level (amateur).

The other thing to consider is that most soccer clubs are old, some are over 100 years old. My favorite German soccer club was founded in 1892.

In the US sports franchises are corporation. Technically the owners can move them from one day to another as you can with any corporation though leagues usually require owners approval. I.e. the latest move (Oakland Raiders) was approved 31-1 with Ross being the only one disapproving of the move. I am sure that the owners are looking forward to the glitz and glamour of Las Vegas considering the new stadium is next door to the Strip. Oakland is just a more working class environment.

In regards to the Dolphins: they could move but I doubt they will. Any owner will have the stadium attached to it and the recent renovations just extended the lifespan of the stadium. While the stadium looks half empty the Dolphins do sell decent tickets. Most of the people just don't go if the product is sub par. The lack of interest going to the game is really a development of the last 10-15 years. throughout the 70s, 80s and 90s the stadium was packed - rain or sun.
You see a lot of secondary market tickets (resell). Next year go to ticketmaster and look for the blue dots (revenue tickets) and the resale tickets.
 
superphin said:
A new owner who wants a new stadium but is refused by the city of Miami and the contract to stay in Miami is going to end soon.

The fanbase to stop going to games like what happens to all NFL teams in LA thus causing the owner to lose a lot of money.

Our history is not going to prevent us from moving, the Browns were one of the OG teams in the NFL and they moved. Bottom line owners don't care about history, they care about money.
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NFL teams do not lose money. Period. Even the worst with the lowest attendance is making money. The NFL is a structure which is in essence a socialist model in which the rich give to the poor for the greater good (NFL).
The reason why both LA franchises moved was that they wanted the city to build a new stadium or upgrade the LA Colosseum. LA said no so they went to St Louis who was willing to build a new dome and to Oakland because the city back then agreed to upgrades.
When the dome became of age faster than expected (because of rapid technology advances) the Rams owner asked for upgrades or a new facility. Considering the dome was less than two decades old the city said no. When LA said "we build a new stadium" the Rams owner took the team back.
Similar to the Raiders when the upgrades to the Oakland Colosseum aged the team asked for a new stadium or upgrades and when the city said no Las Vegas came along with a brandnew stadium.
Owners have only limited care for ticket sales. The big money is made in memorabilia sales and TV revenue. And both of these items are shared revenue. Owners care about pretty new stadiums either build by others or financed through government sources.

NFL teams raked in $255 Million each in revenue sharing from TV in 2017.
Here is a graph which shows the revenue increase of the Dolphins in the times of mediocrity.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195308/revenue-of-the-miami-dolphins-since-2006/

This report shows the Dolphins attendance over the years: bear in mind that since 2016 the capacity is only 67/68k. The Dolphins sell tickets quite well.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/250074/average-home-attendance-of-the-miami-dolphins/

Of all that income the Dolphins ticket sales generate about 80 Million/season.
 
phins_4_ever said:
NFL teams do not lose money. Period. Even the worst with the lowest attendance is making money. The NFL is a structure which is in essence a socialist model in which the rich give to the poor for the greater good (NFL).
The reason why both LA franchises moved was that they wanted the city to build a new stadium or upgrade the LA Colosseum. LA said no so they went to St Louis who was willing to build a new dome and to Oakland because the city back then agreed to upgrades.
When the dome became of age faster than expected (because of rapid technology advances) the Rams owner asked for upgrades or a new facility. Considering the dome was less than two decades old the city said no. When LA said "we build a new stadium" the Rams owner took the team back.
Similar to the Raiders when the upgrades to the Oakland Colosseum aged the team asked for a new stadium or upgrades and when the city said no Las Vegas came along with a brandnew stadium.
Owners have only limited care for ticket sales. The big money is made in memorabilia sales and TV revenue. And both of these items are shared revenue. Owners care about pretty new stadiums either build by others or financed through government sources.

NFL teams raked in $255 Million each in revenue sharing from TV in 2017.
Here is a graph which shows the revenue increase of the Dolphins in the times of mediocrity.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195308/revenue-of-the-miami-dolphins-since-2006/

This report shows the Dolphins attendance over the years: bear in mind that since 2016 the capacity is only 67/68k. The Dolphins sell tickets quite well.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/250074/average-home-attendance-of-the-miami-dolphins/

Of all that income the Dolphins ticket sales generate about 80 Million/season.
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Thanks. Interestingly the largest spike in revenue by some distance was from '13 - '14.

Was there a new tv deal that year?

In England, more than half the teams in the top division would still make a hefty profit if they sold zero tickets to every game of the season (38 games). I'm still not decided whether that's a good thing or not.

It would be nice to see the richest teams in the UK plow the money back into the grass roots of the game and the local community, but most of the teams are now foreign owned.

I fear this is the path the NFL is heading down. The globalization of the game is good for all but the local working class fan who eventually get's priced out of the equation.
 
Teenwolf said:
Thanks. Interestingly the largest spike in revenue by some distance was from '13 - '14.

Was there a new tv deal that year?

In England, more than half the teams in the top division would still make a hefty profit if they sold zero tickets to every game of the season (38 games). I'm still not decided whether that's a good thing or not.

It would be nice to see the richest teams in the UK plow the money back into the grass roots of the game and the local community, but most of the teams are now foreign owned.

I fear this is the path the NFL is heading down. The globalization of the game is good for all but the local working class fan who eventually get's priced out of the equation.
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That would be correct. The old deal expired in 2013 and was renewed for 9 years. A 60% increase in TV revenue for the NFL.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_on_television
 
SkapePhin said:
The Dolphins will move by the end of the Century when most of South Florida is uninhabitable due to sea level rise...
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Very possible. Your timetable of end of the century is excellent. There were some mocking posts earlier in this thread but reality is that the sea level rise has exceeded prior estimates and now the forecasts for 2100 indicate the rate could double, due to melting of Antartica and other factors. It is not something for current generations to worry about but very well could impact late lives of children born at about this time and certainly children born in the next decade and beyond.

I don't discount that future scientists can figure out some way to do something about it, once we shake the denial stage amidst ongoing data.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/12/world/sea-level-rise-accelerating/index.html
 
Too much history here with the Dolphins. Even outside the Dolphins, South FL has arguably the best talent in the US when it comes to football. People live and breathe football down here. There will always be a pro team football team down here. It's too popular for there not to be. It would be a bad business decision.
 
superphin said:
A new owner who wants a new stadium but is refused by the city of Miami and the contract to stay in Miami is going to end soon.

The fanbase to stop going to games like what happens to all NFL teams in LA thus causing the owner to lose a lot of money.

Our history is not going to prevent us from moving, the Browns were one of the OG teams in the NFL and they moved. Bottom line owners don't care about history, they care about money.
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Browns and Colts can move so can anyone.
 
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