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we get a few leaders in the locker room. Having talent is one thing but you have to get it out of each player. The patriots have been masterful at evaluating a player and then putting each of their players in a position to leverage their strengths and collectively hide their weaknesses.

Scanning our roster, I don't see one guy that can be the one that has that ambiance about him the drives his teammates to play up and beyond their talent level. If you ever played team sports, you know what I am talking about. The chris carters, Ed Reeds, Troy Polamalu's, ect of the nfl.

Marino was the last guy on this team that could get his players to do what he wanted because simply it appeared they were afraid of him on the field. Pennington, while a great student of the game, was about as close to a guy that many of the players looked up to and fed off of. Simply stated, we don't have that guy and what I see are guys out there just making a paycheck. I see no fire or determination or at least since the buffalo game.

The NFL is all about desire and momentum. The willingness to get better through hardwork and determination. Can you honestly look at our team and see a guy on there that fits that mold? Ironically, the only guy that I see right now that appears to want to be "that" guy is Vontae Davis. He plays with some severe emotion and that sometimes hampers his game BUT the dude flat out gives it his all. Maybe he will come out and be that presence in the locker room that we need.

The rest of our team just plays and goes home. It is sad. I don't see it in JT and never have. Sure JT wants to win, I don't question that, however he doesn't appear to be the guy that brings out the best in his teammates. I don't see it in JP either. Crowder wants to be the guy, as he spouts off any chance he can get, but I highly doubt ANY of our linebackers want to fashion their game using his pathetic excuse of playing. A great example of a team lacking a "leader" was during the wanny tenure. Man we had one heck of a defense with surtain, madison, marion, knight, thomas, taylor, etc, yet none of them was a pure leader. Combine that with wanny being a huge reason we are where we are now, talent wise, and you get exactly what we saw. A fun team to watch but inevitably never was able to turn the page and be a great team.

Once we get a few of those guys that "know" how to win, the dolphins will be a good franchise and should be able to turn the page to the next level. Until we do though, they are just going to be collecting paychecks. I don't what more to say about it. This team has no identity and with with the "wildcat" gone because of brown's injury, that was the only indentifier that we could cling on to and consequently the line play has eroded since.

The future looks very bright on PAPER for the dolphins. This upcoming draft and offeason is going to be the most important we have had in a VERY long time. It is a make or break offseason in the typical rebuilding phase. Year 3. The right choices by our F.O. this offseason combined with guys like Henne and our wideouts putting the time in to build more of a rapport are going to be extremely instrumental in the difference between another "we are a decent up and coming 8-8" team next season and the "we have turned the page and are going to be a contender for awhile 12-4/11-5 team".
 
Last year, when we went 11-5 vs a soft schedule, we had leaders as far as the eye can see. Now a team starting a 1st year qb, missing their most effective offensive weapon vs a gauntlet schedule, needs leaders.

What a bunch of nonsense.
 
Last year, when we went 11-5 vs a soft schedule, we had leaders as far as the eye can see. Now a team starting a 1st year qb, missing their most effective offensive weapon vs a gauntlet schedule, needs leaders.

What a bunch of nonsense.

Are you serious? What leaders do we have? What leaders did we have last year? We had a team that was riding high on emotion and a cream puff schedule. As stated before, emotion is a HUGE part of a teams success. Take today for example, the team is getting hammered and nobody steps up and does anything. Pan over to see JT yelling at the secondary and they are all sitting there staring off into another direction while he is delivering his latest "hank stram" impersonation.

If you cannot see this team currently is lacking in-house leadership...you know the guys that call the team meetings behind the coaches back when their backs are against the wall, then I don't know what to tell you. You may need to go back and study NFL history and look at the great teams throughout the years and the roster and learn something or two about leadership and it's collective effects in the locker room and how it translates to the field.

While you are at it, go ahead and enlighten me as to the identity of this team. Once brown went down, the team's identity went into the trashcan. The once fearless, mauling o-line started to become soft. The injuries didn't help but it is what it was. Teams that know how to win generally have infused veterans that have experience winning in the league and that is very infectious. Other than Joey Porter, who else has even won a superbowl on this team? Leadership and winning go hand in hand. Nobody on the team has won anything and it shows. It isn't their fault but something the F.O. can help to solve by bringing in some guys that have won in the past. We, IMO, desperately need that.
 
When you win... everyone loves you.. when you lose, well.. you know!!!
 
When you win... everyone loves you.. when you lose, well.. you know!!!

What does this have to do with the topic at hand? I am not hating against the team. They are young and inexperienced and consequently a perfect example of WHY we need a winning veteran presence in the locker room.

Again, your contribution to the serious discussion was where?
 
We already have leaders, but they are too young yet to fill those roles. Chad Henne, Brian Hartline, Davone Bess, Ronnie Brown are leaders. I think Vontae will develop into a leader. The Defense does need some new young leadership though.
 
We already have leaders, but they are too young yet to fill those roles. Chad Henne, Brian Hartline, Davone Bess, Ronnie Brown are leaders. I think Vontae will develop into a leader. The Defense does need some new young leadership though.

I don't see brown as a leader. He is a great player on our team and was sorely missed down the stretch but I don't see him as being the guy who is constantly demanding the younger guys to step up and being the platform for others to feed off of. Bess and Hartline, no way. Henne isn't either. He doesn't show emotion. None of your examples are "leaders" in the traditional sense.
 
Last year, when we went 11-5 vs a soft schedule, we had leaders as far as the eye can see. Now a team starting a 1st year qb, missing their most effective offensive weapon vs a gauntlet schedule, needs leaders.

What a bunch of nonsense.

This reply was a bunch of nonsense. Last year the leaders of this team were Pennington, Holiday and Goodman, 2 of them haven't been here all year and Penny gone early. TS doesn't allow injuried players to be around (which I think is BS) so the leaders from last year were gone. JT has never been a leader, Porter and Crowder are just loudmouths who like to spout off a lot, but don't back it up.

This team is missing leadership from verts and from the coaching staff.
 
We already have leaders, but they are too young yet to fill those roles. Chad Henne, Brian Hartline, Davone Bess, Ronnie Brown are leaders. I think Vontae will develop into a leader. The Defense does need some new young leadership though.

I do think Henne will become one, butu Brown will never be a leader and I don't see Bess or Hartline as one. Davis I do think has the emotion and ability to be one, butu like Henne he has to learn to play the game at the NFL level first.
 
I don't see brown as a leader. He is a great player on our team and was sorely missed down the stretch but I don't see him as being the guy who is constantly demanding the younger guys to step up and being the platform for others to feed off of. Bess and Hartline, no way. Henne isn't either. He doesn't show emotion. None of your examples are "leaders" in the traditional sense.

That's funny, EVERY ONE of Henne's teamates say he is an unquestioned leader who shows a lot of fire in the huddle. It is interesting that a random fan on a messageboard has more insight on this than his teammates.
 
Henne is a great leader. They don't show that on camera. That's probably why.
 
Was Pennington a leader last year? How about Porter and Vonnie Holiday? Is Jason Taylor a leader?

Are/were any of these guys "leaders" in the traditional sense?

Again, the team plays a vicious schedule, so we make up excuses or come up with reasons why they're losing...how about, they're 2 years into rebuilding one of the worst franchises in sports and just arent good enough yet?
 
Was Pennington a leader last year? How about Porter and Vonnie Holiday? Is Jason Taylor a leader?

Are/were any of these guys "leaders" in the traditional sense?

Again, the team plays a vicious schedule, so we make up excuses or come up with reasons why they're losing...how about, they're 2 years into rebuilding one of the worst franchises in sports and just arent good enough yet?

Ummmmmm, I thought I answered those questions in my original post, you might want to go back and read again...
 
That's funny, EVERY ONE of Henne's teamates say he is an unquestioned leader who shows a lot of fire in the huddle. It is interesting that a random fan on a messageboard has more insight on this than his teammates.

What else would they say about Henne when asked about it. You do realize that players, when interviewed, DO NOT say what they are thinking abut rather what isn't going to cause a problem in the locker room. Seriously man.

Do you really think a guy that has nearly a full year as a starter on a team that probably is the youngest in the NFL is going to be a leader right off the bat?

I don't see him pulling wideouts aside or talking forcefully to them during the game. Marino did. Manning does. Brady does. Those three guys are leaders. Henne may be some day, but he couldn't even carry their jockstrap in terms of leadership.
 
Was Pennington a leader last year? How about Porter and Vonnie Holiday? Is Jason Taylor a leader?

Are/were any of these guys "leaders" in the traditional sense?

Again, the team plays a vicious schedule, so we make up excuses or come up with reasons why they're losing...how about, they're 2 years into rebuilding one of the worst franchises in sports and just arent good enough yet?

Dude, put the beer down and stop talking out your ***. Nobody is saying that things aren't good enough. Nobody is questioning the talent on this team. What I am saying is that we have no leadership on this team. It is true. I don't know how you cannot see that. Pennington is gone. Taylor has NEVER been a leader and Holiday is gone as well. Out of the three you cited, only Holiday would be the guy that I would peg as a leader through his interviews and on field play.

You do realize that on the field accountability, SOMETHING A LEADER DEMANDS, is a huge integral part of the winning equation....nah couldn't be.
 
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