The draft debate

[mandal24]

Looking at this upcoming draft, one must assume that Bill Parcells will be picking DEFENSE. Bill Parcells has picked defense consistently almost every year. Chris Long would be the obvious choice then, right? Well, maybe not...

If we drafted Chris Long, who seems to be the unanimous decision among all the big scouts/analysists, there presents a problem for the Miami Dolphins.

If drafted, Chris Long would switch from DE to OLB to be a pass rusher. Great. He'd probably be one hell of a blitzing LB. Problem is..we have SOOO much money, actually, too much money invested in our OLBs.
Jason Taylor, deservingly so, is the highest paid member of the Dolphins. And then there's underachieving Joey Porter whos guaranteed wayyy too much money to get cut. And I'm really not buying all these JT trades, I hope we can trade him for our sake as well as his but it doesnt seem likely anymore.

So with that said, why choose a OLB when we have two guys we highly invested in. Why not go with Jake Long and get our franchise LT, and move Vernon Carey back to his best position at RT. That would really create a great situation as we would have a great OLINE core for years to come and would give John Beck a great base to get him going in the right direction.

In my opinion, I believe if we dont trade down, which is highly unlikely, and if we dont trade JT, which is now seemingly unlikely, we will have no choice but to choose Jake Long.

An argument can be made for Matt Ryan. However, Parcells picked up Josh McCown to battle it out with John Beck. Plus, as a first year GM, its tough to draft a QB with your first pick because Parcells approval rating will now be entirely on how Ryan pans out.

 

[juicifer1269]

Why dont the Dolphins try to do the JT for McKinney trade AND draft Jake Long #1. Then they could move Vernan Carey back to his real position at LG. That would fix the entire offensive line. Then hope to get Quentin Groves in the 2nd round.

 

[MrEd]

Dude, is u alright? "U"nanimous??? Um, if u actually checkout more than just one or two websites...u will find that a 'defensive' pick or a chris long pick would actually make no draft sense whatsoever.

if u pay close attention, the draft guru of gurus: Mike Mayock states that Matt Ryan should end up being MIA's pick at #1. He's a QB, not a 'defensive' player.

look, we have Jason Taylor(who happens to be our best player) and a current Pro Bowler at OLB along with perenial Pro Bowler, Joey Porter. So how do u figure a "u"nanimous consensus would have chris long as our pick???

by BP's offseason moves to date, OL/QB would be the telling signs of being the picks on the first day.

He has left a hole at one of the starting OT spots, as well as a hole at one of the starting G spots too.

the only two times that BP has had the #1 overall pick, he chose a QB one time and traded down the other.

which leaves us with a 100% rate of choosing a QB when he keeps the #1 overall pick. not to mention we are in a similiar situation that he was in when he so chose Bledsoe.

with a "need" at OT and QB, look for BP to pick one of those top quality guys: Matt Ryan or Jake Long(with the latter being less likely because of the quality depth at OT).

nevertheless, he could go either way, QB or LT. no way does wasting a pick on a player where we have "no" need at and "two" perenial Pro Bowl starters at...while still being left with holes at QB and LT, where we stand today.

people really need to think things through hard when making suggestions about who will be MIA's pick at #1.

We have "needs". We've taken care of "some" of those needs with "FA"...now we use the draft to fill the "other" needs. Right now, those "main" needs are at QB and OL. Luxury picks are for playoff teams that don't really have that many needs where they can pick the BPA.

when ur a nonplayoff team with big holes at crucial positions such as QB and OL....u dont go wasting precious "#1 OVERALL" picks on pretty much your "strongest" position next to RB?!

 

[juicifer1269]

which leaves us with a 100% rate of choosing a QB when he keeps the #1 overall pick. not to mention we are in a similiar situation that he was in when he so chose Bledsoe.

Bledsoe was a much better prospect than Matt Ryan is. Bledsoe wouldve been picked by almost any team that year.

 

[blackthought]

Why dont the Dolphins try to do the JT for McKinney trade AND draft Jake Long #1. Then they could move Vernan Carey back to his real position at LG. That would fix the entire offensive line. Then hope to get Quentin Groves in the 2nd round.

I DOUBT they spend that much money on a RT. But trading JT for LT McKinnie would open up so many possiblities for the Dolphins at #1, which would drive up the trade value a little bit. They could go anywhere from RB to OLB, at that point. But just like were stuck with OLB Joey, Minnesota, unless they want to feel the pain are pretty much stuck with LT McKinnie. Hey in a month we'll find out.

 

[thefranchisedef]

i see your arguements but, look at it this way.... parcells lives and dies the trenches... his first draft he will pick either jake long, vernon gholston, or chris long. why would he draft matt ryan? John Beck got about 4 games to show his worth, huh? what is that, a total of half a day. you dont draft a quarterback number 1 unless he is a sure fire.. like elway, mannings, or carson palmer. you definitely do not draft a quarterback if you have a young talented quarterback already, ecspecially with the number one pick. Brady Quinn is better than Matt Ryan, jamarcus russell is better than matt ryan, philip rivers is better than matt ryan, matt lienart is better than matt ryan, and vince young is better than matt ryan... over the last 3-4 years, drafts have consisted of alot of quarterbacks in the first round. name 3 quarterbacks from that time frame that arent as good as matt ryan. do that and i say draft him. from my calculations he doesnt compare to any of them except losman, and alex smith. who would you draft: chris long, or alex smith? how about jake long or jp losman... exactly!`

 

[hemidemon]

You may as well give up the Jake Long talk. That's not going to happen. BP doesn't draft for need in round one. He drafts the best player available. Jake Long is a good OT, but he's not a franchise lineman. This guy is not Richmond Webb or Orlando Pace. The best player in this draft will be Chris Long. Chris has a real passion for the game and that is a key factor with BP. Besides Jake Long has a problem with his footwork in pass blocking. I think he'll have trouble with the speed rushers in the NFL. I'm sure he can be coached up, but at that price he's just not worth it.

 

[3rdandinches]

Dude, is u alright? "U"nanimous??? Um, if u actually checkout more than just one or two websites...u will find that a 'defensive' pick or a chris long pick would actually make no draft sense whatsoever.

if u pay close attention, the draft guru of gurus: Mike Mayock states that Matt Ryan should end up being MIA's pick at #1. He's a QB, not a 'defensive' player.

look, we have Jason Taylor(who happens to be our best player) and a current Pro Bowler at OLB along with perenial Pro Bowler, Joey Porter. So how do u figure a "u"nanimous consensus would have chris long as our pick???

by BP's offseason moves to date, OL/QB would be the telling signs of being the picks on the first day.

He has left a hole at one of the starting OT spots, as well as a hole at one of the starting G spots too.

the only two times that BP has had the #1 overall pick, he chose a QB one time and traded down the other.

which leaves us with a 100% rate of choosing a QB when he keeps the #1 overall pick. not to mention we are in a similiar situation that he was in when he so chose Bledsoe.

with a "need" at OT and QB, look for BP to pick one of those top quality guys: Matt Ryan or Jake Long(with the latter being less likely because of the quality depth at OT).

nevertheless, he could go either way, QB or LT. no way does wasting a pick on a player where we have "no" need at and "two" perenial Pro Bowl starters at...while still being left with holes at QB and LT, where we stand today.

people really need to think things through hard when making suggestions about who will be MIA's pick at #1.

We have "needs". We've taken care of "some" of those needs with "FA"...now we use the draft to fill the "other" needs. Right now, those "main" needs are at QB and OL. Luxury picks are for playoff teams that don't really have that many needs where they can pick the BPA.

when ur a nonplayoff team with big holes at crucial positions such as QB and OL....u dont go wasting precious "#1 OVERALL" picks on pretty much your "strongest" position next to RB?!

Your right that we still have needs to fill but outside of J.Long our needs are a stud CB, a big time WR, a real TE, another OG, DE depth, depth at ILB and SS. None of those are worthy of the 1st pick.
C.Long fills a long term need even if JT stays, his play will slow down and he could only be here for 2 years anyways.
Your smoking something if you think anyone outside of Mayock has a much love for Ryan. Almost everyone else has us taking C.Long, some say J.Long, fewer have Dorsey, even less have Gholston or DMAC. Ryan is Mayock's dream pick and he can crap all over us all he wants when we don't take him but nobody's listening.
I believe the number 1 thing BP/JI want to do is trade down, but I don't see that happening because most teams don't want to pay the price in draft picks and cap space. Our trades will happen with our 2nd and 3rd picks if any.
Just because BP took a QB before doesn't mean squat about our draft, different teams with different needs and D.Bledsoe was a big time prospect with everything you looked for in a pocket passer. Please don't give me your same old M.Ryan is a franchise QB lines because if he was there would be ZERO people predicting anyone else for our 1st pick and absolutely no arguements about it.
The other time he traded down because he had a willing partner in St.Louis.
If we find one , good-bye 1st overall and that even means if we have to drop real late.
J.Long or C.Long with an outside chance of V.Gholston make as good of an arguement in this draft to go #1 for us as any players selected 1st overall in the past for other teams. If J.Russell was in this one we'd take him, same with M.Williams.

 

[SwimminInIndy]

Looking at this upcoming draft, one must assume that Bill Parcells will be picking DEFENSE. Bill Parcells has picked defense consistently almost every year. Chris Long would be the obvious choice then, right? Well, maybe not...

If we drafted Chris Long, who seems to be the unanimous decision among all the big scouts/analysists, there presents a problem for the Miami Dolphins.

If drafted, Chris Long would switch from DE to OLB to be a pass rusher. Great. He'd probably be one hell of a blitzing LB. Problem is..we have SOOO much money, actually, too much money invested in our OLBs.
Jason Taylor, deservingly so, is the highest paid member of the Dolphins. And then there's underachieving Joey Porter whos guaranteed wayyy too much money to get cut. And I'm really not buying all these JT trades, I hope we can trade him for our sake as well as his but it doesnt seem likely anymore.

So with that said, why choose a OLB when we have two guys we highly invested in. Why not go with Jake Long and get our franchise LT, and move Vernon Carey back to his best position at RT. That would really create a great situation as we would have a great OLINE core for years to come and would give John Beck a great base to get him going in the right direction.

In my opinion, I believe if we dont trade down, which is highly unlikely, and if we dont trade JT, which is now seemingly unlikely, we will have no choice but to choose Jake Long.

An argument can be made for Matt Ryan. However, Parcells picked up Josh McCown to battle it out with John Beck. Plus, as a first year GM, its tough to draft a QB with your first pick because Parcells approval rating will now be entirely on how Ryan pans out.

Joey Porter is not unerachieving. He is getting paid a lot, but he really started coming around the last half of the season. IMO, they were not using him right last year. I think in the 3-4 this year we will see that he is worth his money.

 

[adamprez2003]

Joey Porter is not unerachieving. He is getting paid a lot, but he really started coming around the last half of the season. IMO, they were not using him right last year. I think in the 3-4 this year we will see that he is worth his money.

Great to see some people pay attention to more things than just the results. You are 100% right that Porter shouldn't be judged yet. To start with in Pittsburgh he lined up almost exclusively on the right side. In Miami he used almost exclusively on the left. In Pittsburgh he almsot always played upright. In Miami he was often lined up with his hand on the ground. Add in the fact that he was dinged up in training camp which stole valuable practice time for him to get acclimated with his new position and responsibilities and you can see why his production dipped. Still, with all that, his game steadily improved as the season wore on. In a certain sense his performance last year was impressive when you consider all the adjustments he had to make.

The good thing going forward is that Parcells will make sure he's used to the best of his abilities in the scheme we run. I expect big things from Porter this year

 

[burger13]

a lot of people are thinking far too short-term when it comes to this pick.

one or both of those high-priced players are probably not going to be part of this team past 2008. Pick the best player over the next 10 years....don't let where they fit THIS year influence your decision.

 

[The Goat]

Dude, is u alright? "U"nanimous??? Um, if u actually checkout more than just one or two websites...u will find that a 'defensive' pick or a chris long pick would actually make no draft sense whatsoever.

if u pay close attention, the draft guru of gurus: Mike Mayock states that Matt Ryan should end up being MIA's pick at #1. He's a QB, not a 'defensive' player.

look, we have Jason Taylor(who happens to be our best player) and a current Pro Bowler at OLB along with perenial Pro Bowler, Joey Porter. So how do u figure a "u"nanimous consensus would have chris long as our pick???

by BP's offseason moves to date, OL/QB would be the telling signs of being the picks on the first day.



He has left a hole at one of the starting OT spots, as well as a hole at one of the starting G spots too.

the only two times that BP has had the #1 overall pick, he chose a QB one time and traded down the other.

which leaves us with a 100% rate of choosing a QB when he keeps the #1 overall pick. not to mention we are in a similiar situation that he was in when he so chose Bledsoe.

with a "need" at OT and QB, look for BP to pick one of those top quality guys: Matt Ryan or Jake Long(with the latter being less likely because of the quality depth at OT).

nevertheless, he could go either way, QB or LT. no way does wasting a pick on a player where we have "no" need at and "two" perenial Pro Bowl starters at...while still being left with holes at QB and LT, where we stand today.

people really need to think things through hard when making suggestions about who will be MIA's pick at #1.

We have "needs". We've taken care of "some" of those needs with "FA"...now we use the draft to fill the "other" needs. Right now, those "main" needs are at QB and OL. Luxury picks are for playoff teams that don't really have that many needs where they can pick the BPA.

when ur a nonplayoff team with big holes at crucial positions such as QB and OL....u dont go wasting precious "#1 OVERALL" picks on pretty much your "strongest" position next to RB?!

So - you're being critical of him for only checking out one or two websites, yet you YOURSELF are quoting ONE source to back up your hypothesis.

Regarding your "huge hole at QB" theory, allow me to point out something that you clearly refuse to acknowledge. Allow me to repeat myself and hope that it sinks in.

We have a second round QB from last year on our roster who has not been given a good opportunity to prove himself.

We have a second round QB from last year on our roster who has not been given a good opportunity to prove himself.

We have a second round QB from last year on our roster who has not been given a good opportunity to prove himself.

We have a second round QB from last year on our roster who has not been given a good opportunity to prove himself.

We have a second round QB from last year on our roster who has not been given a good opportunity to prove himself.

We have a second round QB from last year on our roster who has not been given a good opportunity to prove himself.

We have a second round QB from last year on our roster who has not been given a good opportunity to prove himself.

By the way, Mayock had Beck listed as the third best QB prospect overall last year, and rated his potential as being not too far behind Russell and Quinn. And, seriously, if I hear the "Did you see the expression on Parcells' face when Beck fumbled the snap" bit one more time, I may just snap. It was ONE play in FOUR games helming one of the worst teams in NFL history...AS A ROOKIE.

Cut the kid some slack.

Matt Ryan MIGHT be a upper-echelon QB someday. So MIGHT John Beck. Selecting Matt Ryan with the #1 overall pick doesn't clarify the QB position at all, and won't help in 2008. The fact that he's not a UNANIMOUS #1 pick in the eyes of most scouts is a llitle scary to me. If you invest a #1 overall in this guy, and he DOESN'T pan out...then what? While Jake Long certainly is a possibility, he certainly doesn't appear to be a can't-miss prospect, either.

The closest thing to a can't miss in the first round would appear to be Chris Long. He's probably the SAFEST pick...and if we trade JT, it's probably the SMARTEST pick. Parcells might well go with Ryan, but dismissing a defensive player as a possibility is just silly.

 

[Dfan06]

I laugh when I See people talk about MAtt Ryan's intangible and I also laugh when they talk about him like he will save this franchise. We have a QB in JOhn Beck give him a chance. Chris Long is my pick. I also we don't have another ILB so Joey Porter may switch or be a situational pass rusher.

 

[Shula Fan]

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[Gadsden86]

I do like the idea of Jake Long. But BP seems to start with defence 1st and taking Chris Long over Jake Would seem to be the concensis(sp) of what most people want.
I do not want ryan he only had good stats when they were trying to come from behind. I kknow that sounds good but why cant we ber ahead?
Go with a younger D we all saw what happend when they finaly started to show thier age.
So Chris i think will be the pick or he will somehow trade it last minuet.