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The "elite' QB mythology.

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Bengals-Dalton,

Vikings-Bridgewater+Braford,

Broncos-Tebow+aging Manning+Simian,

Chiefs-Alex Smith,

Texans Schaub...

Bar Manning initial 2 years none are in the category of "elite' QB's but all those teams range from contenders to mainstays in playoffs over the years, what are the common denominators?

Quality drafts, defense+ability to run the run ball consistently at the very least a pro level.

So whilst of course it would be great if another Dan Marino dropped in our laps the idea that the only way Dolphins can become a playoff bound team consistently is by landing an "elite" QB is pure mythology.
 
I think we'd settle for just a play-maker at the position at this point.
 
None of the "young franchise qbs" are playing elite ball either.

Hell the future MVP all world qb Jameis Winston barely has a 80 qb rating.
 
You don't need an elite QB, you need a guy who makes quick decisions and makes plays. Tannehill doesn't do that. He takes forever to make decisions and he is a non factor with 2 minutes left in the game.

I made a thread years ago about how I wanted Russel Wilson. Many, many Thill supporters back then who panned that one. I was never a supporter of tannehill, but I supported our pick because I like this team.

We have an all pro WR in Landry and a potential all pro in Parker. We have an Oline that is pass protecting far better than last year. We have a pretty awful run game right now, but I believe it will improve with this committee we have. Heck, we won the game off a run. That was nice.

We don't need Marino at QB, although that would be awesome. We just need a solid QB who makes plays at the right time and makes quick decisions. That's it, and this offense will be legit. Unfortunately, we won't get a chance to see that for a while.
 
Mr.Frosty said:
I think we'd settle for just a play-maker at the position at this point.
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QB excuse a crutch for a joke of an organization.

Teams can become at very least playoff bound at decent clip if they draft and develop a decent standard, If they build a team that defensively among top tier consistently, if their ability to run the ball is at a somewhat pro level. Dolphins are lacking in all those areas, powers that be in this organization just sitting by and waiting for a this mythical QB to "step up" and carry this team to the promised land.
 
Have loved watching NFL defenses as of late. Finally putting a stop to the offensive tidal wave that was propelled by rule changes.
 
The only problem with this strategy is it's hard to win consistently as teams poach your players.. Broncos will fall back to earth in a few seasons. Having a star QB is the key to sustained success

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Tannehill is a solid top 15-18 QB. If you have the elements mentioned in this thread, you can win with him.
 
Football 101: Blocking and Tackling. The Dolphins still suck at blocking tackling....and winning.

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BTW, what happened to the Steelers yesterday?
 
FlipperKills28 said:
Football 101: Blocking and Tackling. The Dolphins still suck at blocking tackling....and winning.

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BTW, what happened to the Steelers yesterday?
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THIS.

And what happened to Cam Newton Sunday? 0 TD, 3 picks. 5 TD, 5 picks on the season. 1-2 record.
 
Tannenbombs said:
The only problem with this strategy is it's hard to win consistently as teams poach your players.. Broncos will fall back to earth in a few seasons. Having a star QB is the key to sustained success

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Tannehill is a solid top 15-18 QB. If you have the elements mentioned in this thread, you can win with him.
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I absolutely agree. A freak quarterback provides so much margin for error and room to take shortcuts. You can project a full decade or more with playoff level seasons as the norm, with the natural ups and downs within that range due to injuries or personnel matters.

Otherwise so many decisions have to be far above the league standard. You can do it short term. Elway is receiving all the praise now. It's incredibly fragile.

IMO, the ideal combination is an elite quarterback backed by a defensive minded coach who also values physical football and the running game. Belichick was a defensive guy, for those of us who remember his fame as Parcells' defensive coordinator. Pete Carroll likewise is defensive minded. Shula started as defensive coordinator with the Lions. Chuck Knoll got Bradshaw and four titles not long after serving as Shula's defensive coordinator with the Colts. So many other examples. Jimmy Johnson was defense. Nick Saban is defense. On the college level with 30 first round picks every season you don't need a premier quarterback if you win the personnel acquisition battle consistently, along with the run/defense focus.

Shula could have won titles with Marino earlier in his career. Older coaches sometimes soften up and lose sight of all the fundamental aspects that got them there. Shula stopped running the ball and so did Bobby Bowden late in his Seminole tenure. Shula also didn't have the personnel department strength he enjoyed with the Collts and early Dolphins.

Offensive coaches can do more to play tricks and gags and rescue a floundering program even if the quarterbacking isn't special. This is very, very prevalent in college football nowadays.

Bill Walsh specialized in offense. He was head coach for less than a decade in the NFL. That would have been an intriguing case study, if he had gone elsewhere within the league instead of returning to Stanford, but his quarterback had been standard level and not Montana or Young. I think he sensed that issue and that's partially why he returned to the collegiate ranks.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I absolutely agree. A freak quarterback provides so much margin for error and room to take shortcuts. You can project a full decade or more with playoff level seasons as the norm, with the natural ups and downs within that range due to injuries or personnel matters.

Otherwise so many decisions have to be far above the league standard. You can do it short term. Elway is receiving all the praise now. It's incredibly fragile..
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Thumbs up x100!!!
 
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