The Farve/Marino Question.

[GoonBoss]

Some of you weren't around when the painful separation of Dan from the Dolphins happened. If you think the debates we have today are brutal.....No...Noo...You have NO idea. These carried to different boards over a long time...It was brutal and, as cyber goes, bloodletting.

Am I the only one that notices the paralles between the separation of Farve/Marino?

Personally...Being one on the side that was quick to pull the plug...I've wanted to tell GB...."I know he's being a princess....Let him. He's damageing his legacy doing it....If he's right? You have a good team..If he's wrong? No putting up with it next year."

Me, personally....I'm sorry I was on the side of pulling the plug on Dan when we did, even though....It was painful watching the pick 6's. Somtimes one season of sacrifice is worth a lifetime of bad feelings.

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[Canadianfishfan]

Marino understands legacy. He undestood his place in history and in Dolphin lore. I may not have liked it but I would've understood if hewanted to challenge for a championship... having never won one.

Farve is worse than a woman. Can't make up his freakin mind. He has created his own soap opera, and created a circus that was once reserved for the Dolphins.

When you have a player who is as great as Favre and Marino are/were.. you're always going to have this debate. I wonder how the Chargers fans felt when Seau retired only to come to us a short time later.

Marino may have been alot of things.. but he was and is nothing like the fool Brett Farve is making himself out to be. Farve had the story book retirement. Every news agency in America lauded him. Tributes were overfowing with love for guy. Now he wants to come back? It's not the coming back. It's how he's doing it. He shouldnt be ***** footing around. He shouldn't have a national interview to lambaste the Packers after all they've done for him. Even Taylor is wise enough not to do that.. even when the media were right under his nose for free.

Farve may take Marinos records.. but he'll never have the same heart.

 

[DiepatriotsDie]

I was actually pretty furious when the Dolphins let Dan go. I wanted him to be a Viking so badly and hoped he would play well enough to make the Fins look like idiots. Combining this with my hatred Wanny, I actually stopped watching the Dolphins for a full season. I was that much more annoyed when we ended up playing quite well. After a while I realized it was in fact time to pull the plug on Dan. I went back and watched some of his later games and realized just how much of a different player he was. I wish I would have realized it a little more at the time.

That being said, while there are some parallels, I think the situation is pretty different in the fact that Brett hasn't really lost a step. I still think he's in the wrong for the most part, as I do understand the awful task of taking the next step that the organization faces after a player like that retires. That's what the Packers did, and now you can't really undo it. I hope the situation resolves quickly, because NFL network is pretty useless in the meantime, or any Sports news outlet for that matter.

 

[GoonBoss]

Marino understands legacy. He undestood his place in history and in Dolphin lore. I may not have liked it but I would've understood if hewanted to challenge for a championship... having never won one.

Farve is worse than a woman. Can't make up his freakin mind. He has created his own soap opera, and created a circus that was once reserved for the Dolphins.

When you have a player who is as great as Favre and Marino are/were.. you're always going to have this debate. I wonder how the Chargers fans felt when Seau retired only to come to us a short time later.

Marino may have been alot of things.. but he was and is nothing like the fool Brett Farve is making himself out to be. Farve had the story book retirement. Every news agency in America lauded him. Tributes were overfowing with love for guy. Now he wants to come back? It's not the coming back. It's how he's doing it. He shouldnt be ***** footing around. He shouldn't have a national interview to lambaste the Packers after all they've done for him. Even Taylor is wise enough not to do that.. even when the media were right under his nose for free.

Farve may take Marinos records.. but he'll never have the same heart.

Excellent observation.

 

[MikeO]

can't compare the two.

At the end of his career Marino couldn't play. He couldn't keep up wth the NFL

Farve is coming off an NFC Championship game season. He still has it.

It's night and day

 

[GoonBoss]

can't compare the two.

At the end of his career Marino couldn't play. He couldn't keep up wth the NFL

Farve is coming off an NFC Championship game season. He still has it.

It's night and day

This is the way I feel...And, felt then....as time has gone by, though, I've held my head over some of the things I said then...Because, lord knows, I don't say anything stupid now....I just felt like I was flashed back.

It's differrent as it's Farve is a mobile gunslinger..He's got a longer life than a Marino....But, the critical mistakes late in the career are the main argument.

 

[shula_guy]

Im 38 and had the privalage of growing up following both of thier careers. I for one was glad to see Marino let go of the game. he looked like a robot with all the braces at the end of his career. His heart may not of quit but his body did. I will say even at the end he could still amaze me with one or two side steps in the pocket that elude defenders closing in on him. The pocket would collapse around him but he would take a step up, back, to the left or right and with all the poise in the world wing a bomb or a bullet down the field with grace like none one else.

Favres problem is mental. I dont begrudge him the luxury of changing his mind but he needs to be more amicable towards a team that was very good to him throughout his career there.

 

[GoonBoss]

Im 38 and had the privalage of growing up following both of thier careers. I for one was glad to see Marino let go of the game. he looked like a robot with all the braces at the end of his career. His heart may not of quit but his body did. I will say even at the end he could still amaze me with one or two side steps in the pocket that elude defenders closing in on him. The pocket would collapse around him but he would take a step up, back, to the left or right and with all the poise in the world wing a bomb or a bullet down the field with grace like none one else.

Favres problem is mental. I dont begrudge him the luxury of changing his mind but he needs to be more amicable towards a team that was very good to him throughout his career there.

I'm 40. I had the honor of seeing Marino sling his first TD. I was a kid, but, my Jaw dropped at the velocity of the pass. I agree at your assessment. His body just couldn't go, even though his head did. The rumor was to MN....I'm glad he shut it down.

I think the Packers guys should come to Finheaven and, check in on the debate :)
The problem with active legends.......Is they hang around.

 

[209Mason]

This just struck me as odd, when you think about this discussion it in comparison to Den't line from The Dark Knight:

"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain...."

Obviously not the DIE part... but Marino went out when he should have, and will forever be a legend... seems like Favre is lingering and to many Green Bay fans, I think he's becoming the villain.

 

[GoonBoss]

This just struck me as odd, when you think about this discussion it in comparison to Den't line from The Dark Knight:

"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain...."

Obviously not the DIE part... but Marino went out when he should have, and will forever be a legend... seems like Favre is lingering and to many Green Bay fans, I think he's becoming the villain.

Someone is, for sure.