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The first shot in the next war between the owners and players.

Feverdream said:
For those who aren't aware.

12 game seasons til 1960
14 games til 1977

And there are more playoff games too.
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The 18 game schedule would add a 2nd bye week, which will help with fatigue. The NFL should increase roster size if they want to add more games. They have added game 17 and added Thursday and International games, and playoff seed 7, but they have not increased the roster. They need to add some more players for everyone's sake.
 
dan the fin said:
They are all greedy players and owners. And I am not picking any side. But this is a common mistake made by fans. What you described would be profit sharing. Revenue is before expenses, the owners have massive expenses compared to players. For example owners have to pay a HC 10 mil, which comes out of their portion on the revenue. Owners generally don't make much actual profit per year, now they do make a lot long term in capital gains on the value of the team, as in they paid X 10 years ago and sold it today for a big profit.

Anyway both are so greedy and have priced out a lot of good fans from going to many games.
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Understand that, but the owners are still getting around $350-$400M per season to run the other parts of the franchise which is still more than the salary cap.

Does it really cost more to pay all the staff, maintenance etc than all the players?

Also, Ross is currently sitting on about $7 billion profit if he sells the franchise. He’s not doing too badly, is he?

As someone else said, with private equity getting involved I think this will end up with a player strike at some point as PE is only concerned with profit and nothing else. Currently witnessing how PE works with the company I work for, my team used to be made up of 9 European software developers, couple of years of PE ownership and it’s now 5 European and 4 Indian. Some teams are now 0 Europeans and all Indian. Years and years of business logic lost but wages down and profit margin is up so all is good.
 
RichmondWeb said:
The 18 game schedule would add a 2nd bye week, which will help with fatigue. The NFL should increase roster size if they want to add more games. They have added game 17 and added Thursday and International games, and playoff seed 7, but they have not increased the roster. They need to add some more players for everyone's sake.
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Players are probably against larger rosters as it will cut down their slice of the pie. No way owners are going to give the players more of the revenue, they will just argue if they want bigger rosters then it comes out of their 48%.

In the end it will just be fans and tv deals being asked to pay for more as usual.
 
Springveldt said:
Understand that, but the owners are still getting around $350-$400M per season to run the other parts of the franchise which is still more than the salary cap.

Does it really cost more to pay all the staff, maintenance etc than all the players?

Also, Ross is currently sitting on about $7 billion profit if he sells the franchise. He’s not doing too badly, is he?

As someone else said, with private equity getting involved I think this will end up with a player strike at some point as PE is only concerned with profit and nothing else. Currently witnessing how PE works with the company I work for, my team used to be made up of 9 European software developers, couple of years of PE ownership and it’s now 5 European and 4 Indian. Some teams are now 0 Europeans and all Indian. Years and years of business logic lost but wages down and profit margin is up so all is good.
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Spoken like a monetary genius without a lot of money as far as I'm concerned.
 
Springveldt said:
Understand that, but the owners are still getting around $350-$400M per season to run the other parts of the franchise which is still more than the salary cap.

Does it really cost more to pay all the staff, maintenance etc than all the players?

Also, Ross is currently sitting on about $7 billion profit if he sells the franchise. He’s not doing too badly, is he?

As someone else said, with private equity getting involved I think this will end up with a player strike at some point as PE is only concerned with profit and nothing else. Currently witnessing how PE works with the company I work for, my team used to be made up of 9 European software developers, couple of years of PE ownership and it’s now 5 European and 4 Indian. Some teams are now 0 Europeans and all Indian. Years and years of business logic lost but wages down and profit margin is up so all is good.
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Didn’t Ross turn down 10 billion last year for the team?
 
RichmondWeb said:
The 18 game schedule would add a 2nd bye week, which will help with fatigue. The NFL should increase roster size if they want to add more games. They have added game 17 and added Thursday and International games, and playoff seed 7, but they have not increased the roster. They need to add some more players for everyone's sake.
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Just going from 16 games to 18 games seems to justify a 6-to-7-man increase of a team's roster, along with an equivalent 12.5% increase in support staff (coaches, trainers and other staff) for that larger roster.
 
The Goat said:
Steven Ross is worth 18.4 billion dollars.

$50 million is about one quarter of one percent of that. I don't think he cares much.
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Duh, it was a joke. Jesus, some of you are so literal. I must’ve missed where I asked what their net worth was..😂😂😂😂
 
dan the fin said:
They are all greedy players and owners. And I am not picking any side. But this is a common mistake made by fans. What you described would be profit sharing. Revenue is before expenses, the owners have massive expenses compared to players. For example owners have to pay a HC 10 mil, which comes out of their portion on the revenue. Owners generally don't make much actual profit per year, now they do make a lot long term in capital gains on the value of the team, as in they paid X 10 years ago and sold it today for a big profit.

Anyway both are so greedy and have priced out a lot of good fans from going to many games.
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Owning an NFL franchise is massively profitable in its own right.
That 10 million for a head coach is ~ 3% of their SHARED revenue. And only 11 coaches make that much. And Hot dogs and beer or just parking pay for that. (~$20 per person per game) . The only "losses" that ever incur are depreciation of of an extremely valuable asset. That is only used to reduce the owner's taxes elsewhere.
 
keller377 said:
Owning an NFL franchise is massively profitable in its own right.
That 10 million for a head coach is ~ 3% of their SHARED revenue. And only 11 coaches make that much. And Hot dogs and beer or just parking pay for that. (~$20 per person per game) . The only "losses" that ever incur are depreciation of of an extremely valuable asset. That is only used to reduce the owner's taxes elsewhere.
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Never said they didn't profit they do. They just don't make the 100+ million some think when they justnlook at revenue. And hot dogs and beer is already included in that 11 billion as it is part of revenue.
 
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