The Hickey Shuffle . . . . . . . . . no?

[67Stang]

Common sense to me is he was open to make a deal but didn't feel like he was offered fair compensation. But we can agree to disagree on that.

I probably would have taken the trade but then James wouldn't have been an option for me at all, but the point is the value was not great nor was it the worst thing ever. IMO the trade value was fair so we probably didn't gain or lose anything (and I'm talking about the decision he had before knowing how it all played out). You people running around acting like we threw away a "free" third round pick are just being results oriented.

The very next team traded down and stayed in the first round and got a third. No other team was targeting an OL between where the Cards landed. ALSO NO ONE else I have seen or read (and I looked a lot) had James going in the first round. Do the math.....or stick with the no one knows what would have happened view if that is easier for you in accepting the FACT that we overreached for James at 19, because we definitely did. That is not a bash, it is just being honest. I don't think that James is a scrub, just not a mid 1st round pic and all evidence (whether you want to admit it or not) shows we could have had him later in the first and have at least a 3rd round pick to boot.

 

[roy_miami]

The very next team traded down and stayed in the first round and got a third. No other team was targeting an OL between where the Cards landed. ALSO NO ONE else I have seen or read (and I looked a lot) had James going in the first round. Do the math.....or stick with the no one knows what would have happened view if that is easier for you in accepting the FACT that we overreached for James at 19, because we definitely did. That is not a bash, it is just being honest. I don't think that James is a scrub, just not a mid 1st round pic and all evidence (whether you want to admit it or not) shows we could have had him later in the first and have at least a 3rd round pick to boot.

The math is simple...there is only so much value pie to go around and the pie doesn't magically get bigger, there is no win-win scenario. If the Saints get a bigger slice of the value pie by ripping us off 60 points then we must have gotten a smaller piece. Like I said with everything considered I think we were just exchanging slices of pie that were the exact same size, so take it or leave it, but perhaps Hickey felt like his slice of pie was worth more.

I would have done things differently, much differently, but if I hate on everyone simply because they see things differently than me I'm going to be one hateful mother****er.

 

[Coach_Rob]

the guy is about to make me lose my damn mind. another blocking te wtf

 

[marinotoclayton]

Many of you don't like first round pick! I do it was needed and there was no guarantee that he would have been there later! Hickey then made some other decent picks that filled other needs. For those that didnt like TE pick . He could possibly help running the ball more. And I believe we still have Keller and Clay! And he got a decent WR many wanted! Hickey has answered !

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

Best line......flipped 3in the top 80 into 3 in the top 60 and came out with an additional 4 th sounds brilliant to me

Only problem is he is forgetting to mention we lost value in the trades. Add what we lost from the draft chart and it equals 647 pts, add what we gained and it is 601. We lost a total of 46 pts.

 

[roy_miami]

Only problem is he is forgetting to mention we lost value in the trades. Add what we lost from the draft chart and it equals 647 pts, add what we gained and it is 601. We lost a total of 46 pts.

Yup. I'm surprised more people aren't mentioning this. And if James truly was a reach then we lost a lot of value there too, and contrary to what people think we wouldn't have gotten any of that value back by making a bad trade with the Saints, we would have just lost even more value.

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

Many of you don't like first round pick! I do it was needed and there was no guarantee that he would have been there later! Hickey then made some other decent picks that filled other needs. For those that didnt like TE pick . He could possibly help running the ball more. And I believe we still have Keller and Clay! And he got a decent WR many wanted! Hickey has answered !

Not to nit pick but actully we DON'T still have Keller. He is a free agent. As for the WR I think he will be fine, or has a chance to be. The problem I have with the WR is he is exactly what our roster is filled with. We have the average sized average speed WR. Mathews, Hartline, Gibson, Damien Willaims all have roughly the same skill set. What we don't have is a red zone threat with size, or a speedster with change of direction skills. Now with the WR pick our last two cuts at the position will be a good player and we will still be left with the same hole we had before the draft. Maybe he turns out to be a good player, but the pick screams of someone not familiar with the roster. Maybe he was the BPA but he certainly wasn't a need.

 

[JTC111]

Many of you don't like first round pick! I do it was needed and there was no guarantee that he would have been there later! Hickey then made some other decent picks that filled other needs. For those that didnt like TE pick . He could possibly help running the ball more. And I believe we still have Keller and Clay! And he got a decent WR many wanted! Hickey has answered !

If you don't even know who's on our roster, perhaps you should refrain from embarrassing yourself like this.