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I’m not saying that I have anywhere near as much knowledge as McD at designing and calling plays, but I think we should have been a bit more stubborn with the run game. This is for a specific reason: one of the reasons why Tua was high on a bunch of those throws over the middle is because the LBs were dropping into those windows, tightening them up. They knew we were likely going to pass, and they trusted their dominant d-line to stop the run without them. We needed to balance out the plays a bit more yesterday to try to get those LBs to cheat up just a tiny a bit, in order to open up those windows over the middle. I know we were super limited with the o-line, and many of these runs would’ve amounted to 2-3 yards, but I think it would’ve been helpful for subsequent pass plays
 
I agree totally. You can't pass on every play. We pass from the shotgun on 3rd and 1????????????????????????????????? Why do we do that? How many times did we have to punt because we were passing WAY too much. If our run game can't get us a damn yard when we need it they should go track down Lusaka Polite!! The man never failed us.
 
With cold weather games in Buffalo and New England coming up, the Dolphins have to establish a running game. While the passing game is exciting when it’s working, good teams have to be able to run the ball effectively. Especially when the defense has shown that it has trouble getting the opposing offense off the field.

‘Perhaps MCDaniel felt that the 49ers which have the best defenses in the league was a team that would be hard to establish the run against. Yet Tua was not effective in the first half and having a solid running game would have certainly benefitted the offense and also the defense of the Dolphins.

Hopefully trying to establish a more effective running game wI’ll be a priority over the remaining 5 games.
 
Didn't hate the game plan. We played to our strength against their weakness. I'm pretty sure the throwing windows were really tight, but not being able to connect in those windows was the difference. We're not a good run team. They're #1 at stopping it. They have very good linebackers who are capable of both dropping back into coverage while at the same time being able to close on the short stuff and bring support in the run game. It was a good game. We were right there on the road. Put Armstead in there. Clean up some of those penalties and have some of those borderline calls go our way. Obviously can't have that 2nd pick. Outcome would probably be different.
 
Etuoo33 said:
IMO it's hard to run the zone stretch run game with two plodding second string tackles in the game, and I think McD probably thought the same thing.
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Then I hope we get some offensive linemen who can pass block proficiently while also allowing us to run the ball.

I'm not saying break the bank for offensive linemen, but I am saying that we need to be able to run the ball more than we did yesterday. I feel like I saw a grand total of 5 run attempts the whole game, but I'm sure it was more than that. I couldn't believe on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 2 that we passed instead of just pushing our way forward a couple of yards.
 
Retnuhrace said:
I’m not saying that I have anywhere near as much knowledge as McD at designing and calling plays, but I think we should have been a bit more stubborn with the run game. This is for a specific reason: one of the reasons why Tua was high on a bunch of those throws over the middle is because the LBs were dropping into those windows, tightening them up. They knew we were likely going to pass, and they trusted their dominant d-line to stop the run without them. We needed to balance out the plays a bit more yesterday to try to get those LBs to cheat up just a tiny a bit, in order to open up those windows over the middle. I know we were super limited with the o-line, and many of these runs would’ve amounted to 2-3 yards, but I think it would’ve been helpful for subsequent pass plays
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There used to be a philosphy of 'keep doing it until they stop it.' If the pass game is working, no need to run the ball. OK, I'm exaggerating a little, but my point is, over the course of ONE game, I don't care if the HC run only 5 times or passes only 5 times. Call plays to the weakness of the D.
It's also possible to 'run' without a run game. The goal is to force the LBs to move closer to the line. Mcd didn't. He seems to HATE short passes. The D is playing off? Slants, bubbles, the receiver just turns around and takes a short pass. Only 4-5 yds? Good enough. That moves the chains. Punish a team for playing off. Yes, that includes running plays, but ANY play that punishes a D for playing off will get their attention. All? teams have personnel who scout their own D. Either Mcd isn't listening or he needs to fire them and get new scouts. It seems fans see the same scheme every game.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
There used to be a philosphy of 'keep doing it until they stop it.' If the pass game is working, no need to run the ball. OK, I'm exaggerating a little, but my point is, over the course of ONE game, I don't care if the HC run only 5 times or passes only 5 times. Call plays to the weakness of the D.
It's also possible to 'run' without a run game. The goal is to force the LBs to move closer to the line. Mcd didn't. He seems to HATE short passes. The D is playing off? Slants, bubbles, the receiver just turns around and takes a short pass. Only 4-5 yds? Good enough. That moves the chains. Punish a team for playing off. Yes, that includes running plays, but ANY play that punishes a D for playing off will get their attention. All? teams have personnel who scout their own D. Either Mcd isn't listening or he needs to fire them and get new scouts. It seems fans see the same scheme every game.
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Mike McDaniel's offense philosophy is to suck in LBs with play action while keeping safeties deep with speed. At least that's what he does with the roster he has right now. If Tua was regular Tua yesterday, Fins crush the Niners because this way of doing things with this group of players just works. McDaniel put his players in position to succeed yesterday, and Tua isn't the only one that let him down. Also, refs in the first half had me thinking about the line moving a full point a couple of hours before the game, it was that horrible.
 
I don't think the fact that we haven't run the ball well while Armstead is out is a coincidence. I don't think we can run the ball well without him anchoring that oline.

Hopefully Eric Fischer will help improve that.
 
Agree w the OP. 8 run attempts is not a good recipe. And it was a close game too. Not like we were down 2 scores or more all game.
 
I love Miami Mike. While he causes me potential heart attacks going for it on every 4th down, I love the aggressiveness. He does has some room to grow as a Game day coach. I haven’t been in love with all of the calls
 
Retnuhrace said:
I’m not saying that I have anywhere near as much knowledge as McD at designing and calling plays, but I think we should have been a bit more stubborn with the run game. This is for a specific reason: one of the reasons why Tua was high on a bunch of those throws over the middle is because the LBs were dropping into those windows, tightening them up. They knew we were likely going to pass, and they trusted their dominant d-line to stop the run without them. We needed to balance out the plays a bit more yesterday to try to get those LBs to cheat up just a tiny a bit, in order to open up those windows over the middle. I know we were super limited with the o-line, and many of these runs would’ve amounted to 2-3 yards, but I think it would’ve been helpful for subsequent pass plays
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I think miami better run vs chargers. Gotta keep balance but also the chargers run defense is pretty bad I believe. This would help in two ways, keep miami balanced, help protection for Tua and if miami can get scoring drives with mixing run with the pass. It will keep Herbert on the sideline longer. The benefit or running the ball is it takes away time good offenses have to be on the field or good qbs off the field
 
Highzenga said:
I love Miami Mike. While he causes me potential heart attacks going for it on every 4th down, I love the aggressiveness. He does has some room to grow as a Game day coach. I haven’t been in love with all of the calls
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Wow! Almost forgot about that bold move he made! MIAMI MIKE!!!!!!
 
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