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The Manning Family Influence On Oliver and Andrew Luck's Decision-Making

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Not so fast discounting the connections between Oliver and Archie and Peyton and Andrew. The Mannings have already been asked to provide counsel based on their own experiences which ended up influencing an important Andrew decision. Turns out Archie and Oliver were old teammates and long standing friends from the Houston Oilers days and Peyton is already mentoring Andrew. IMO, the Mannings' advice and experiences all have a bearing on Oliver and Andrew's decision to either accept the draft day results or pull a similar power play to what Jack Elway and Archie Manning already did. And actually, if you think about it, the Manning family did it twice by also having Peyton stay in school.

I've been saying all along that Ross needs to kiss Oliver Luck's butt, take nothing for granted, perhaps have him sign off on the new personnel upstairs and on the field.. and do whatever is necessary to make him feel more comfortable than they do certainly with the Colts and probably Stanford's own John Elway's Broncos.

Sure we win either way with a lot of draft picks and one of the other high potential QBs so it's all good if we come in last, but I think most will agree that if we've sunk that low, it's better to end up with Luck than a bunch of consolation prizes, eh?

Bottom-Line: even first up in the draft: "Luck is NOT a Lock!"



Link to: Jan 2011 PFT
Peyton Manning advised Andrew Luck on returning to Stanford

Posted by Michael David Smith on January 7, 2011, 12:53 PM EDT

Before Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck decided to eschew the NFL draft, he spoke with another quarterback who surprised people by returning to school when he could have entered the NFL draft and gone No. 1 overall: Peyton Manning.
Andrew’s father, Oliver Luck, was an NFL teammate of Peyton’s dad, Archie Manning. And Oliver told KTAR that their longtime friendship gave Andrew access to Peyton, who told Andrew about his own experience of returning to Tennessee for his senior season in 1997, when he likely would have been the first pick in the draft if he had left school following his junior year.
“Before he made his decision he had a couple of long conversations with Peyton,” Oliver Luck said. “Archie and I played together way back when with the old Houston Oilers, so we’ve known the family, and Peyton’s kind of acted like a mentor to Andrew. So he got advice not just from his old man and his mom, but
some people like Peyton Manning, Eli and others who have gone through it.”

Although Peyton Manning may have just become the NFL’s least popular player among Carolina Panthers fans, it makes sense that the Manning brothers would both advise Luck that things tend to turn out pretty well for highly regarded quarterbacks who decide not to enter the NFL draft early. Luck clearly made a well-informed decision when he chose to put the NFL millions on hold for another year.
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yeah the only thing that makes me nervous is the possiblity of him staying in school for yet another year.
 
As I mentioned in the other "oh my god Andrew Luck might pull an Elway" thread, Miami is considered by many outsiders who aren't former Dolphins beat reporters with an ax to grind to be the most desirable of the 0-1 win teams.

Let's not get too worried about this, folks. We might not even be bad enough to draft him, but if we are he probably isn't going to pull an Elway.
 
I think it all comes down to who Ross hires as the new GM and coach. Peyton didn't pull a power play as a senior...he didn't like the team that would have drafted him if he had come out as a Junior but he went willingly to the Colts who had their issues concerning draft picks and up and down seasons. Archie obviously didn't like A.J. Smith in San Diego and I don't blame him...the guy is a brash and arrogant GM with very little people skills who has a knack for rubbing players and their agents the wrong way....much like Carl Peterson who if hired could screw the whole thing up for us concerning Luck...IF we have the 1st pick.
 
registeredguy said:
As I mentioned in the other "oh my god Andrew Luck might pull an Elway" thread, Miami is considered by many outsiders who aren't former Dolphins beat reporters with an ax to grind to be the most desirable of the 0-1 win teams.

Let's not get too worried about this, folks. We might not even be bad enough to draft him, but if we are he probably isn't going to pull an Elway.
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agreed.

The reason miami may seem so unattractive now is because we are a mess, but so is every other team vying for the 1st pick.

Now if we brought the clown sparano and the rest of the coaching staff back, ok fine then maybe he wouldnt want to play here. But we will have an entire new staff here, we will give him anything he wants, and he will start from day 1 here, as opposed to indy he may not start for 3-4 years.

Until he actually comes out and says he does not want to play for miami and he will force a trade, i wont buy it. is it possible? yes, anything is possible. is it likely? No.
 
It is starting to seem like the media and fans are starting a campaign to put doubt in Luck's mind about the Dolphins. They are doing everything in their power to paint Miami as some godforsaken franchise with no hope of resurrection. Its absurd, but that is what people are trying to do.
 
Yup. The NE/NY media is going bonkers at the thought of the Jets being stuck with Sanchez and Miami having an elite QB.
 
Ilovemyfins4eva said:
agreed.

The reason miami may seem so unattractive now is because we are a mess, but so is every other team vying for the 1st pick.

Now if we brought the clown sparano and the rest of the coaching staff back, ok fine then maybe he wouldnt want to play here. But we will have an entire new staff here, we will give him anything he wants, and he will start from day 1 here, as opposed to indy he may not start for 3-4 years.

Until he actually comes out and says he does not want to play for miami and he will force a trade, i wont buy it. is it possible? yes, anything is possible. is it likely? No.
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So hypothetically you're saying that despite having a bungling owner who stabbed his HC in the back, petitioned the league to take away the team's home field advantage, organized a Tebow day bringing in a bunch of opposing fans, sold jest gear in the team store, etc etc.... Luck will still want to play here so long as the existing front office and coaching staff are replaced?

How about if they're replaced with Carl Peterson and Eric Mangini or Herm Edwards?? Still think Luck's a Lock? I agree, it depends on who the new personnel are and Ross's hands-off and financial commitment to them succeeding. Ross as the owner himself, is a fixed given and a lot to compensate for as compared to Irsay and Bowlen, from the get-go!
 
The new head coach is not going to be Herm Edwards. Folks, if the new head coach is Herm Edwards we can go out back and shoot ourselves when that happens, but let's not keep bringing up the specter of something that's the remotest of remote possibilities.
 
registeredguy said:
The new head coach is not going to be Herm Edwards. Folks, if the new head coach is Herm Edwards we can go out back and shoot ourselves when that happens, but let's not keep bringing up the specter of something that's the remotest of remote possibilities.
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I dunno about that if Peterson is calling the shots. Remember he already naively traded a mid-level draft pick for Herm at a time when the jest would have paid KC to take his contract off their hands. That didn't work out too well but from what I know about Peterson's elevated sense-of-self, would you really put it past a guy who wanted to start Brody Croyle to hire Herm in the hope of rewriting history and making his past decision look good in retrospect?
 
In the offseason Ross pursued Harbaugh, Gruden and Cowher. He has said he wants a star QB and a big name coach.

The team is tanking and circling the bowl. Now all signs point to Ross wanting to keep Gruden and Ireland, but I think things are bad enough right now that he will give Cowher everything he wants if that's what it takes to bring the fans back.

I don't think Ross is an idiot. Inexperienced in football politics, sure, and maybe a little bit too fond of Jeff Ireland, but I don't think he's an idiot.

He won't **** it up this time.
 
Vaark said:
So hypothetically you're saying that despite having a bungling owner who stabbed his HC in the back, petitioned the league to take away the team's home field advantage, organized a Tebow day bringing in a bunch of opposing fans, sold jest gear in the team store, etc etc.... Luck will still want to play here so long as the existing front office and coaching staff are replaced?

How about if they're replaced with Carl Peterson and Eric Mangini or Herm Edwards?? Still think Luck's a Lock? I agree, it depends on who the new personnel are and Ross's hands-off and financial commitment to them succeeding. Ross as the owner himself, is a fixed given and a lot to compensate for as compared to Irsay and Bowlen, from the get-go!
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look, i think your bring up some good points, and i cant totally dismiss them. Is it possible that luck does what you say he may possibly do and force a trade if he does not like the team who selects him? yes, anything is possible.

However, i do believe that at the end of the day, if Miami gets the first overall pick, factored in with a total overhaul of our coaching staff, a guy in charge of the personnel decisions who actually had a clue, i believe south Florida can be a very attractive place to play.

I'm sure you are competitive at whatever you do. would you rather go to a place where you can get on the field and play right away, or would you rather go and sit behind someone for 3-4 years?

Stephen Ross has made some questionable moves such as courting harbaugh while we still had a head coach, but one thing i think we know is that he wants to win. He is not cheap, he will spend whatever money he has to, in order to make The new regime and luck happy.

no matter what luck is going to a bad team 1st overall, so is Miami really that less appealing than playing for say the Bidwells in Arizona, the broncos who could possibly even worse than us, the vikings who don't even know where they will be playing in 4-5 years from now, the rams who are a total mess and are prob in a worse situation than us now, the colts where he will prob have to sit a few years before he can play. etc?

Again your theory can not be thrown out at all, i just believe at the end of the day, assuming we make the necessary changes which i think we will, he will be just fine coming here.
 
The ONLY way Luck comes here IF we have the top pick, is that we hire a star Coach, and give him all the control.

Ireland has to go as well.
 
Imagine that it's week 15 and the two teams neck and neck in the running for the #1 pick are Miami and Jacksonville.

And people on this board want me to believe he would be rooting for Jacksonville to get him.
 
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