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The McDaniel Conundrum - An article on Tua's fit in McDaniel's system

SanMarino said:
Hi guys,

Just read the following article. It's a good read that goes in depth on Tua's fit in McDaniels system. Would love to hear everyone's opinion on it. I don't agree with everything in here but it's well written and brings up some fair questions.

Link -> The McDaniel Conundrum
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Full disclosure didn’t read it before posting but while McDaniel has an offensive scheme in mind I don’t think he really has an offense of his own yet.

He knows Tua’s strengths (accuracy, RPO etc) he will make his offense to fit the personnel he has not say…here is my system guys fit in it and let’s hope it works.

From all the interviews and such he talks about how he evolves his style. I mean everyone sees Debo as a all purpose guy, he didn’t carry the ball until week 10 or 11 last year.

They grew that role they grew the scheme to use a unique guy. I feel like camp will start with a general scheme but will quickly evolve with the skill positions. The OL will likely be the only one who is a more general scheme specific style.
 
Dolphinator530 said:
Full disclosure didn’t read it before posting but while McDaniel has an offensive scheme in mind I don’t think he really has an offense of his own yet.

He knows Tua’s strengths (accuracy, RPO etc) he will make his offense to fit the personnel he has not say…here is my system guys fit in it and let’s hope it works.

From all the interviews and such he talks about how he evolves his style. I mean everyone sees Debo as a all purpose guy, he didn’t carry the ball until week 10 or 11 last year.

They grew that role they grew the scheme to use a unique guy. I feel like camp will start with a general scheme but will quickly evolve with the skill positions. The OL will likely be the only one who is a more general scheme specific style.
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Great points, and I feel the same about McDaniel but what I get from this article is that it is difficult to mesh the Wide Zone with the RPO. See the quote below:

"Trying to blend the McDaniel style with what Tagovailoa has done at his best is a tough one to project. Flowing from wide-zone under the gun to a post-wheel RPO from the pistol isn’t a natural fit — you’re bouncing from one offense to the other (Tennessee style) making it all too predictable for the defense.

Trying to marry those styles would inevitably lead to an offense scotch-taped together with ideas rather than one that has an overriding philosophy — and it’s the latter that gets the best out of play-callers as sequencers."

McDaniel has mentioned that he will be running Wide Zone concepts so hopefully he is able to bridge the gap between the two or we can transition Tua away from such a heavy RPO focused offense.
 
Dolphinator530 said:
He knows Tua’s strengths (accuracy, RPO etc) he will make his offense to fit the personnel he has not say…here is my system guys fit in it and let’s hope it works.
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McD's system in Miami IMO will be Wide Zone & WCO hybrid w/ a little RPO mixed in.

The WCO passing game will play to Tua's strengths..... accuracy and quick reads

The concept I hope McD keeps is motion. The YouTube videos I've watched of K. Shanahan offensive seem to blend his dad's scheme with that of Joe Gibbs during his 1st tenure in Washington.
 
SanMarino said:
Great points, and I feel the same about McDaniel but what I get from this article is that it is difficult to mesh the Wide Zone with the RPO. See the quote below:

"Trying to blend the McDaniel style with what Tagovailoa has done at his best is a tough one to project. Flowing from wide-zone under the gun to a post-wheel RPO from the pistol isn’t a natural fit — you’re bouncing from one offense to the other (Tennessee style) making it all too predictable for the defense.

Trying to marry those styles would inevitably lead to an offense scotch-taped together with ideas rather than one that has an overriding philosophy — and it’s the latter that gets the best out of play-callers as sequencers."

McDaniel has mentioned that he will be running Wide Zone concepts so hopefully he is able to bridge the gap between the two or we can transition Tua away from such a heavy RPO focused offense.
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There was a lot of solid philosophical info in there, but that particular part I flat disagree with. To be fair, the writer was specific about "out of the gun" wide zone plays. It doesn't have to be run from the shotgun, though it does make an audible situation easier to see, particularly if the QB has the option to run the play to either side. I don't see it as much of a limitation when you consider how much you can influence defenders/alignment with shifts and motion.

I also think the article overstates the need to have only one style/philosophy in an offense from a line play perspective. I'm much more of a "here's the assignment for this play. Execute the assignment" There's no reason a well-coached offense can't do many things at a high level depending on how they want to attack a defense.
 
SanMarino said:
Hi guys,

Just read the following article. It's a good read that goes in depth on Tua's fit in McDaniels system. Would love to hear everyone's opinion on it. I don't agree with everything in here but it's well written and brings up some fair questions.

Link -> The McDaniel Conundrum
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So, having both Tua and Bridgewater is a win - win scenario for the Dolphins?
 
I see McDaniel as a facilitator of talent and skill sets. He has explosiveness on offense and protection now and in my humble opinion he will work his mad scientist offensive guru' nist to include Tua in his new schemes, which probably will involve some QB designed runs as well. We know Tua can run, he was run away from defenders for 2 years LOL.
 
Very good write up but I have one word to articulate the situation "percentage".

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Many many teams bank on the RPO offense and one such team is KC as well as Steelers, Chargers and Bills. I don't think anyone would argue the differences in some of the offenses on this list. There are stark differences even thou the system is an "RPO" but the percentage is key.

All RPO's are not created equally and if "offensive gurus" be guruing they realize pounding square pegs into round holes is not the way to succeed.

Gase needs a team of unicorns to run "his offense" because I don't think the NFL players physically exist to run it. Also while address player capabilities, Miami was forced to do certain things simply because of the offensive line deficiencies (they were staggering). I'm always cautious to say things can't get worse but I have not idea how the Mami offensive line could get worse short of only starting 4 linemen.

So is there a lot of work to be done by McDaniel, absolutely. We'll see if he deserves his "guru" title. Is Tua gonna have to learn some new things, absolutely. We'll see if he's up to the task.
 
The MCDaniel system will be the system that best fits what Tua does best. Since MCDaniel has never actually called plays but merely help create plays to fit what Shanahan wanted to run with the 49ers. There is no way right now to know exactly how much of the 49ers offense MCDaniel will include in the Dolphins offense.

MCDaniel and the offensive coaches he hired are intelligent enough to create an offense that takes advantage of what Tua and the rest of the offensive weapons do best. He was aware when he took the job that it is his responsibility to build an offense around Tua skill set and that’s what I expect he will do.
 
From the article...

"And yet the McDaniel-Tagovailoa fit is a funky one. McDaniel majored in the outside-zone-then-boot world, crafting nifty ways to create leverage advantages in the run game (typically from under center) before punishing defenses with play-action from those same initial run actions. Tagovailoa, by contrast, has played his best football in the league’s most RPO-laden offense."

  • "typically from under center"... Tua from under center this season had a 124 rating.
  • "play-action from those same initial run actions"... Tua had a 103 rating on PA passes.
This whole article is about RPO and assuming thats all Tua can do... Pretty much everything he says is valid and really informative, feels like dude knows football and did his homework on the Fins RPO implementation. Meh, Tua had a rating over 100 from under center, on PA passes and when kept clean last season, if you think RPO is all Tua can do, you do you...
 
SanMarino said:
Hi guys,

Just read the following article. It's a good read that goes in depth on Tua's fit in McDaniels system. Would love to hear everyone's opinion on it. I don't agree with everything in here but it's well written and brings up some fair questions.

Link -> The McDaniel Conundrum
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Thanks for the link. Good read.
 
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