The Miami Dolphins' Problems with Sacks: Is the Culprit Ryan Tannehill?
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Hate to say it but Omar is making way too much sense lately.Reasons for the 24 sacks"Everyone, and everything is part of the problem" and I totally agree.Way too many variables in football.
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Who is responsible for the Dolphins' 24 sacks?
By Omar Kelly
Sun Sentinel
9:59 a.m. EDT, October 19, 2013
All it takes is one.
One false step. One poor jab, or misplaced hand. One lackluster chip block, or one bad route adjustment. One mistake on offense and the entire play can become a bust because of a sack.
It also takes just one hit to sideline the starting quarterback for a few weeks, or an entire season.
That's the main issue the Miami Dolphins (3-2) spent the past two weeks examining, trying to identify why the team has allowed 24 sacks in five games.
Everyone, and everything is part of the problem, which is what I explained in this column. However, ALL of the blame goes to the offensive linemen because they haven't done a good enough job in the first quarter of the season.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...he-dolphins-24-sacks-20131019,0,4207309.story
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Who is responsible for the Dolphins' 24 sacks?
By Omar Kelly
Sun Sentinel
9:59 a.m. EDT, October 19, 2013
All it takes is one.
One false step. One poor jab, or misplaced hand. One lackluster chip block, or one bad route adjustment. One mistake on offense and the entire play can become a bust because of a sack.
It also takes just one hit to sideline the starting quarterback for a few weeks, or an entire season.
That's the main issue the Miami Dolphins (3-2) spent the past two weeks examining, trying to identify why the team has allowed 24 sacks in five games.
Everyone, and everything is part of the problem, which is what I explained in this column. However, ALL of the blame goes to the offensive linemen because they haven't done a good enough job in the first quarter of the season.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...he-dolphins-24-sacks-20131019,0,4207309.story
You say the grade is no worse that average. Does that mean their grade is 0? That is the definition of average for PFF. I suspect their grade is less than 0, but not as much as one might think. There could be many reasons, including their grading system itself:
Each grade given is between +2 and -2, with 0.5 increments and an average of 0. A positive intervention in the game rates a positive grading and vice-versa. Very (very) few performances draw a +/-2 rating. In fact, the distribution of non-zero grades is like this:
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+2.0 0.01percent
+1.5 0.3percent
+1.0 16percent
+0.5 37percent (unbalanced because of the way WRs and HBs are rated)
-0.5 24percent
-1.0 22percent
-1.5 0.5percent
-2.0 0.01percent
This numbering is subjective and purposefully centers around 0.
In addition, they are facing very few blitzes. From PFF's review of the Saints' game: "he was blitzed on only three of his 41 drop-backs.". It'a likely that 20% - 40% of the OL has no one to block on many of the pass plays. That should help their average.
The same site had this to say about the Bal vs Mia game:
"Sunday’s game must have been frustrating for Ryan Tannehill (+4.7). Drive after drive was halted by sacks, pressures, and/or dropped passes. It wasn’t just that Miami’s offensive line was getting beaten — it’s that they were losing immediately. The Dolphins’ quarterback faced pressure on 17 of his 46 drop-backs, but the average pressure came in just 2.3 seconds. To give some context, the average time to throw in the NFL this season is just under 2.8 seconds and only 37% of passes have been thrown in less than 2.3 seconds."
Because a missed block by a lineman almost always results in pass pressure but not all sacks are the result of missed blocks or result in a negative grade for the OL.
Wow, you really don't get it..... They are not grading Tannehill by comparing him to the other QBs. They are grading Tannehill based on his play alone. Whether Tannehill could have avoided any of his sacks is UNRELATED to any play by any other QB. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
And if that's true, then IMO it would stand to reason that an OL with an average overall pass blocking grade, that's surrendering no greater frequency of QB pressures than the league average, would not be at fault for an astronomical percentage of sacks associated with its team.
If such a line was at fault for an astronomical number of sacks, it would also likely have a poorer than average overall grade, as well as surrender a greater than average percentage of pressures. How can the line be good enough to play average overall with regard to pass blocking and pressures surrendered, yet be so terrible as to allow an astronomical number of sacks? That doesn't compute.
The point is that they are grading the entire league with the same criteria, whereas the "Tannehill sack video" provides no such league-wide collection of data.
It's Tannehill in a vacuum, and therefore whatever we're seeing in the video cannot be compared with other teams' play on the basis of the video alone. PFF's data collection, however, does permit such comparisons among teams. This is about the tenth time I've repeated this, so please read it again if you need to. :)
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Ryan Tannehill : 93.97 PFF QB Rating
Ryan Tannehill has been rated as the 6th best QB in the NFL up until week 7. That ain’t too bad. The PFF metric takes into account drops, throw aways and yards after the catch by WR’s. Tannehill is also rated the 4th most accurate passer by PFF with a rating of 77.1 only behind Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers and Matt Ryan.
http://cover32.com/dolphins/2013/10/15/5-stats-that-tell-the-story-of-the-dolphins-season/
Ryan Tannehill has been rated as the 6th best QB in the NFL up until week 7. That ain’t too bad. The PFF metric takes into account drops, throw aways and yards after the catch by WR’s. Tannehill is also rated the 4th most accurate passer by PFF with a rating of 77.1 only behind Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers and Matt Ryan.
http://cover32.com/dolphins/2013/10/15/5-stats-that-tell-the-story-of-the-dolphins-season/
Because when they get beat, they get beat badly. Please watch the Bal game. AGAIN from PFF:
"It wasn’t just that Miami’s offensive line was getting beaten — it’s that they were losing immediately. The Dolphins’ quarterback faced pressure on 17 of his 46 drop-backs, but the average pressure came in just 2.3 seconds. To give some context, the average time to throw in the NFL this season is just under 2.8 seconds and only 37% of passes have been thrown in less than 2.3 seconds."
Does that sound like an average OL?
Also, Suggs got sacks on every one of his pressures in that game and none of them were Tannehill's fault. Why did Suggs beat Martin and Clabo so badly on those plays and not others? Who knows but it happened. The fact that it is statistically unlikely doesn't matter.
You are trying to form a statistical analysis from too little data.
For the millionth time, no one needs to compare Tannehill's play to other QBs to analyze any given play. The other plays are irrelevant.
Thank you. Given the OP's devotion to the PFF stats, he must know acknowledge that Tannehill is playing well above average behind a below average pass blocking OL with poor support from the running game having played against several solid defenses.
This is 100% wrong.
Wait a minute, now you're using the same variables I used in the OP to make your point, despite your continual rebuttal from there on that those variables aren't sufficient in number to paint an accurate picture of what's going on? :unsure:
We haven't been talking about "analyzing any given play." We've been talking about whether the video can be used to support your idea that Tannehill experiences a different kind of pressure from other QBs. The video doesn't provide that information because it focuses on Tannehill, only.
Little quips like that do little to further the conversation, because they don't include enough elaboration to support any sort of position on anything. What, are we just supposed to take your word for it because you're you, whoever you are? :)
No. I'm using their descriptions of their observations from the game. Did you notice that they didn't say that the OL blocked well enough but Tannehill didn't scramble?
No, we were discussing who was more at fault on 24 plays. You are claiming that it is Tannehill. I am claiming it is the OL.
So you noticed that they said "only" 37% of throws have come in less than 2.3 seconds, despite the fact that 37% is more than a third of them, and that they said nothing at all about how quickly Tannehill moved in response to pressure?
And you're claiming it's the OL because Tannehill is experiencing a different kind of pressure than other QBs in the video, whereas the video tells us nothing about what other QBs experience. I on the other hand am claiming nothing on the basis of the video.
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