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The MYTH of the Jets/Falcons 1-year turnaround...

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Jets were a year removed from playoffs when Rex got there. They were in the hunt the year before when Favre's shoulder fell off. Rex didn't rebuild ****. The Falcons, similarly, were in the NFC Championship a few years before Mike Smith got there. Mick Vick departure caused the team to implode, but pieces were still there.

On the other hand, the Dolphins were in the freaking TOILET bowl before this crew got here. Frankly, I think this staff did more with less. A better team to compare the Dolphins to is the Lions, who were in a similar position. The job this crew did with the Dolphins is eons better than what they have done with the Lions in the same time span.

GIVE UP THE FREAKING JETS / FALCONS comparisons! They aren't even comparable!
 
The Falcons finished with the 2nd worst record in the league...Pieces my ***.

The Falcons drafted well and got pieces to help the team. They drafted a franchise QB.

But they are going to the playoffs for the next 5 out of 6 years...We ****ing suck.
 
I agree on the Jets. Disagree on the Falcons.

But it's not like you cant discount what Rex Ryan has done with the Jets either, especially this off-season. Santonio Holmes, LaDainian Tomlinson, Antonio Cromartie have all been tremendous additions. It's not exactly the same team Mangini had when the Jets were 9-2 with Favre. Sanchez has developed into a decent Quarterback who WINS games. That team is completely different.
 
Falcons Roster:
The highlighted major contributors all predate Mike Smith

55 Abraham, John DE ACT 6'4" 263 5/6/1978 11 South Carolina
59 Adkins, Spencer LB ACT 5'11" 242 5/16/1987 2 Miami (Fla.)
98 Anderson, Jamaal DE ACT 6'6" 289 2/6/1986 4 Arkansas
95 Babineaux, Jonathan DT ACT 6'2" 296 10/12/1981 6 Iowa
72 Baker, Sam T ACT 6'5" 307 5/30/1985 3 USC
71 Biermann, Kroy DE ACT 6'3" 260 9/12/1985 3 Montana
63 Blalock, Justin G ACT 6'4" 329 12/20/1983 4 Texas
3 Bryant, Matt K ACT 5'9" 200 5/29/1975 8 Baylor
77 Clabo, Tyson T ACT 6'6" 331 10/17/1981 6 Wake Forest
26 Coleman, Erik SS ACT 5'10" 207 5/6/1982 7 Washington State
73 Dahl, Harvey G ACT 6'5" 305 6/24/1981 4 Nevada-Reno
92 Davis, Chauncey DE ACT 6'2" 262 1/27/1983 6 Florida State
28 DeCoud, Thomas FS ACT 6'0" 193 3/19/1985 3 California
83 Douglas, Harry WR ACT 6'0" 182 9/16/1984 2 Louisville
86 Finneran, Brian WR ACT 6'5" 210 1/31/1976 10 Villanova
24 Franks, Dominique DB ACT 5'11" 194 10/8/1987 0 Oklahoma
88 Gonzalez, Tony TE ACT 6'5" 243 2/27/1976 14 California
20 Grimes, Brent CB ACT 5'10" 181 7/19/1983 3 Shippensburg
61 Hawley, Joe C ACT 6'3" 297 10/22/1988 0 Nevada-Las Vegas
12 Jenkins, Michael WR ACT 6'4" 217 6/18/1982 7 Ohio State
94 Jerry, Peria DT ACT 6'2" 294 8/23/1984 2 Mississippi
27 Johnson, Gartrell RB ACT 5'10" 219 6/21/1986 2 Colorado State
79 Johnson, Mike G ACT 6'5" 312 4/2/1987 0 Alabama
93 Johnson, Thomas DT RES 6'2" 304 6/24/1981 3 Middle Tennessee State
9 Koenen, Michael P ACT 5'11" 198 7/13/1982 6 Western Washington
97 Lewis, Trey DT ACT 6'3" 316 5/23/1985 3 Washburn
50 Lofton, Curtis MLB ACT 6'0" 242 6/2/1986 3 Oklahoma
62 McClure, Todd C ACT 6'1" 296 2/16/1977 12 LSU
80 Meier, Kerry WR RES 6'2" 224 11/12/1986 0 Kansas
25 Moore, William SS ACT 6'0" 218 5/18/1985 2 Missouri
34 Mughelli, Ovie FB ACT 6'1" 250 6/10/1980 8 Wake Forest
54 Nicholas, Stephen OLB ACT 6'3" 230 5/1/1983 4 South Florida
32 Norwood, Jerious RB RES 5'11" 209 7/29/1983 5 Mississippi State
21 Owens, Chris CB ACT 5'9" 179 12/1/1986 2 San Jose State
81 Palmer, Michael TE ACT 6'5" 260 1/18/1988 0 Clemson
87 Peelle, Justin TE ACT 6'4" 251 3/15/1979 9 Oregon
91 Peters, Corey DT ACT 6'3" 295 6/8/1988 0 Kentucky
53 Peterson, Mike OLB ACT 6'1" 233 6/17/1976 12 Florida
8 Redman, Chris QB ACT 6'3" 229 7/7/1977 8 Louisville
75 Reynolds, Garrett T ACT 6'7" 317 7/1/1987 2 North Carolina
23 Robinson, Dunta CB ACT 5'10" 182 4/11/1982 7 South Carolina
2 Ryan, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 220 5/17/1985 3 Boston College
39 Schillinger, Shann DB ACT 6'0" 202 5/22/1986 0 Montana
90 Sidbury, Lawrence DE ACT 6'3" 265 2/6/1986 2 Richmond
35 Smith, Antone RB ACT 5'9" 190 9/17/1985 1 Florida State
44 Snelling, Jason FB ACT 5'11" 223 12/29/1983 4 Virginia
74 Svitek, Will T ACT 6'6" 309 1/8/1982 5 Stanford
33 Turner, Michael RB ACT 5'10" 244 2/13/1982 7 Northern Illinois
99 Walker, Vance DT ACT 6'2" 307 4/26/1987 2 Georgia Tech
56 Weatherspoon, Sean OLB ACT 6'1" 239 12/29/1987 0 Missouri
14 Weems, Eric WR ACT 5'9" 194 7/4/1985 3 Bethune-Cookman
84 White, Roddy WR ACT 6'0" 212 11/2/1981 6 Alabama-Birmingham
29 Williams, Brian DB ACT 5'11" 202 7/2/1979 9 North Carolina State
4 Wilson, John Parker QB ACT 6'2" 218 10/17/1985 1 Alabama
52 Wire, Coy OLB ACT 6'0" 225 11/7/1978 9 Stanford
82 Zelenka, Joe LS ACT 6'3" 260 3/9/1976 12 Wake Forest

Contrast that with the Dolphins. How many holdovers are on this team? Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams and Yeremiah Bell. THATS IT. Mike Smith and Co. had MUCH more to work with. They changed everything with essentially 3 players: Matt Ryan, Tony Gonzalez, Michael Turner.
 
DeathStar said:
What's the next excuse to defend Morono/Ireland/Parcells?
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they are all really good friends who get off on field goals, hatin on pimps and drafting useless qbs. so lets keep them so they can pick another qb to get us into field goal range for some madazz fist pumping.
 
SkapePhin said:
Jets were a year removed from playoffs when Rex got there. They were in the hunt the year before when Favre's shoulder fell off. Rex didn't rebuild ****. The Falcons, similarly, were in the NFC Championship a few years before Mike Smith got there. Mick Vick departure caused the team to implode, but pieces were still there.

On the other hand, the Dolphins were in the freaking TOILET bowl before this crew got here. Frankly, I think this staff did more with less. A better team to compare the Dolphins to is the Lions, who were in a similar position. The job this crew did with the Dolphins is eons better than what they have done with the Lions in the same time span.

GIVE UP THE FREAKING JETS / FALCONS comparisons! They aren't even comparable!
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We were 2 years removed from the playoffs when Rex took over and we had no QB. We had talent to be a playoff team and he took us there. Tannebaum had been drafting well and that has continued for the most part the last 2 years though the '10 draft doesn't look very good right now.

Miami was 1-15 but they had talent, they had alot of injured guys and they had poor coaching. It wasn't a monumental task to turn them around in 2008.
 
I like how people insist that we were a 1-15 team just 3 years ago! Yes, that IS true, but it's not like we came up with these high hopes all on our own. We were lead to believe they would field a team this year that would compete with the Jets and Patriots for the AFC East. We were delivered a mediocre product.

And yes, that's quite remarkable considering the dump we were left with when Saban bolted, but if we hadn't been told these things we wouldn't expect them. Not to mention some of the boneheaded moves made by our FO that have probably set us back 3 years without even having to hire a new coaching staff. I don't understand how people can defend this failure.
 
when we go from 1-15 to 11-5, i dont know about anyone else but i expect to be the same at 11-5 or better, not become 7-9, and i damn sure dont expect to be even worse by the 3rd year.
 
the turnaround is b/c of QB play.;..its that frikin simple.
 
Daytona Fin said:
they are all really good friends who get off on field goals, hatin on pimps and drafting useless qbs. so lets keep them so they can pick another qb to get us into field goal range for some madazz fist pumping.
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lmao......this is funny
 
Michael Jenkins and Jamaal Anderson suck...

The Falcons were going through a complete regime change from top to bottom... not only was the face of their franchise facing prison time, he was also the guy that Blank had signed to MEGA contract.... to top it all of, Petrino didn't even wait until after the season was over to leave like Saban did, Petrino walked out on them with games still left to play to take the Arkansas job... just flat out walked out!

Blank had to get a new GM in there, a complete new front office, hire a head coach, new staff... and figure out what he was going to do at the quarterback position long term...


Vernon Carey, Greg Camarillo, Channing Crowder, Jason Allen, Brandon Fields, Samson Satele, Ginnger, etc... were all holdovers from previous regimes, in addition to players like Ronnie, Ricky, and Yeremiah Bell...

Most of them weren't very good, but at least they were able to ship them off in exchange for more draft picks to blow on Patrick Turners, Pat Whites, etc... Not to mention these morons inherited the #1 overall pick in the draft to boot... and STILL managed to f*ck it up...


Atlanta was in dire straights... the difference is, Miami still is... Atlanta isn't.
 
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