The New England Model

[Krush]

I have been on this site for 3 years, and I have read predictions after predrictions and all of the mock drafts, and none of them ever pans out.

The dolphins to be successful have to build thi franchise back up like New England did in the late 90's, and I believe we put too pressure on the players and not the coaches. New England like them or not have coaches who teach football the right way and they hold the players accountable for their level of performance, many games last year as I looked at my fins it seems like they hoping to score touchdowns, they weren't business like interm of what they needed to accomplish on the field. If you go back to the 1980 version of the fins that team went out on the field with a purpose and that was to put up as many points they could and they did it, under offensive coordinator Kaye Stevenson and Don Shula. Those coaches had a game plan and for the most part they were successful, now don't get me wrong a team do need players to perform at a high level and they constantly need motivating but all in all when a coaching staff come in with a system that even the 53rd man can understand that's when a team is going to have success, The pats are a prime example of a team that has good coaches and a players with certain skill sets, and when they lose one they get another one just like the one they lost and ask him to do the same thing. So let things shake out and let this coaching staff put all of the pieces together.

 

[late again]

I have been on this site for 3 years, and I have read predictions after predrictions and all of the mock drafts, and none of them ever pans out.

The dolphins to be successful have to build thi franchise back up like New England did in the late 90's, and I believe we put too pressure on the players and not the coaches. New England like them or not have coaches who teach football the right way and they hold the players accountable for their level of performance, many games last year as I looked at my fins it seems like they hoping to score touchdowns, they weren't business like interm of what they needed to accomplish on the field. If you go back to the 1980 version of the fins that team went out on the field with a purpose and that was to put up as many points they could and they did it, under offensive coordinator Kaye Stevenson and Don Shula. Those coaches had a game plan and for the most part they were successful, now don't get me wrong a team do need players to perform at a high level and they constantly need motivating but all in all when a coaching staff come in with a system that even the 53rd man can understand that's when a team is going to have success, The pats are a prime example of a team that has good coaches and a players with certain skill sets, and when they lose one they get another one just like the one they lost and ask him to do the same thing. So let things shake out and let this coaching staff put all of the pieces together.

Um....like cheating, you mean?
With NE embroiled in cheating accusations, to suggest that they are a model other teams should pattern themselves after is insulting, don't you think? If they have in fact been cheating it's pretty safe to say that their success has been due to having gained an unfair/dishonest competitive edge; NOT due to wonderous coaching and gameplanning as you suggest.

 

[phinphever]

Um....like cheating, you mean?
With NE embroiled in cheating accusations, to suggest that they are a model other teams should pattern themselves after is insulting, don't you think? If they have in fact been cheating it's pretty safe to say that their success has been due to having gained an unfair/dishonest competitive edge; NOT due to wonderous coaching and gameplanning as you suggest.

Have you ever heard of a period. They go at the end of sentences.
Just ribbing ya. You have a point about the coaching staff. We have a staff now that will hold them selves and the players accountable.

 

[knoxpk]

Um....like cheating, you mean?
With NE embroiled in cheating accusations, to suggest that they are a model other teams should pattern themselves after is insulting, don't you think? If they have in fact been cheating it's pretty safe to say that their success has been due to having gained an unfair/dishonest competitive edge; NOT due to wonderous coaching and gameplanning as you suggest.

Agreed, at this point it seems possible and even LIKELY that the Pats have had an unfair edge for quite some time. Face it, we were TERRIBLE this year but I would guess that if the coaches new the defensive/offensive playcalls even 25% of the time we would have won ALL of the games we lost by under 7 points AND we probably would have won some of the games we lost by even a bigger margin!

Hopefully we can find out exactly how extensive the cheating really was. Until then I don't find it a value to model a team after another team that has apparently cheated for quite some time.
It's the same as asking young baseball players to pattern hitting or pitching after Bonds and Clemens.

 

[late again]

Have you ever heard of a period. They go at the end of sentences.
Just ribbing ya. You have a point about the coaching staff. We have a staff now that will hold them selves and the players accountable.

..well yeah, but a question mark is okay, too when asking a question?.!!;;;?..now you've got me confused....

 

[Dfan06]

Patriots " Cheating is the patriots way" no thanks
BB: Bill Bellicheck is a Douchebag
Tom Brady & CO : ****y and arrogant.

We are going to do things the dolphins way.

 

[phinphever]

..well yeah, but a question mark is okay, too when asking a question?.!!;;;?..now you've got me confused....

Lol, You got me. hahhaha
DOh

 

[3rdandinches]

If you really think they were the only ones cheating then I guess R.Clemons and B.Bonds were the only two doing roids in baseball!!! Why do you think NO other coach in the league commented about the situation. I'm not defending them it was wrong and they paid the price for it, I just think a tonne of other teams got off free.

 

[zach8111]

If you really think they were the only ones cheating then I guess R.Clemons and B.Bonds were the only two doing roids in baseball!!! Why do you think NO other coach in the league commented about the situation. I'm not defending them it was wrong and they paid the price for it, I just think a tonne of other teams got off free.

or they are the only two big names who are stupid enough to lie about it. they just came out with at least 30 people in the mitchell report so that isnt a good comparison. im not even a baseball fan and i know that. At least the other coaches in the nfl arent stupid enough to do something so stupid and very illegal as to tape other teams walk-through's and signal calling. NFL Coaches might have a little cheating here or there but they don't take cheating to the extreme like the pats did.

 

[late again]

If you really think they were the only ones cheating then I guess R.Clemons and B.Bonds were the only two doing roids in baseball!!! Why do you think NO other coach in the league commented about the situation. I'm not defending them it was wrong and they paid the price for it, I just think a tonne of other teams got off free.

No one has stated that the Pats are the "only ones". At least no one has said it in this thread. The thread was started by someone suggesting that the Pats are the model franchise to use as a pattern to success. No other team was mentioned in the replies because no other team was suggested to be a model to success. Would you have been content with " NE and any other team that cheats...."? That seems pretty long to have word it that way every time NE and/or cheating gets mentioned. ....I know one way to shorten it, though. New England and any other team that cheats = New England *. The asterisk can just indicate the rest.

 

[Boomer]

Krush, posts that contain common sense aren't usually well received here. What you really should have put was how Miami is going to spend up to the cap limit on superstars and to hell with the consequences.

And if you'd written it in an illiterate way, possibly in the style of an Afghan goat herd, AND in text speak, it would have been perfect. Then you could have made up a few stories about small school prospects you'd never seen and moved on from there.

 

[3rdandinches]

I just think that there's way to much being put on NE because they got caught by a former bitter employee. There's alot this going on in different forms or another.The bottom line is NE drafted the core players, found great role players and put themselves in position every year to dump guys who think they deserve to get paid and replace them with solid players and guys wishing for one last shot and are willing to take less money and do anything to succeed there. To me that's a model franchise.

 

[3rdandinches]

Someone is suggesting that NE's way is to cheat so therefore we couldn't/shouldn't use them as a model franchise. I'm just saying let's be alittle more realistic and look at the big picture.And with the baseball reference it is the same thing nobody's talking about anybody else except Bonds and Clemons, if we were caught cheating we'd only be the laughing stock of the NFL, NE gets caught and that's the reason their great year in and year out. That's the lazy man's excuse for not being good. Krush makes a great point from a different angle and I'm just seconding it with my view. NE's cheating has got nothing to do with where they are today.

 

[knoxpk]

Someone is suggesting that NE's way is to cheat so therefore we couldn't/shouldn't use them as a model franchise. I'm just saying let's be alittle more realistic and look at the big picture.And with the baseball reference it is the same thing nobody's talking about anybody else except Bonds and Clemons, if we were caught cheating we'd only be the laughing stock of the NFL, NE gets caught and that's the reason their great year in and year out. That's the lazy man's excuse for not being good. Krush makes a great point from a different angle and I'm just seconding it with my view. NE's cheating has got nothing to do with where they are today.

Again, that is VERY debatable.
Remember the 20-7 (I think) win the Fins had over the Pats the year before last?

What were they saying?

that's right we KNEW the calls and we cheated.
They were a playoff team and we were barely mediocre and put a beating on them that game.

What I am getting at is MAYBE, Just MAYBE a team can be better than what they appear to be due to having players in proper position ALL THE TIME due to cheating.
Again this has NOT been proven 100% but to try to emulate the Pats RIGHT NOW is not logical considering that PERHAPS some or even much of their success is due to unfair advantages!

As for the baseball Bonds and Clemens are cheaters and liars. The rest are just cheats, but admitted cheats, for the most part!


I will add that my reasoning for even mentioning Baseball was simply to illustrate that its NOT feasible to model your play or athletes to the standard of known cheats. it simply will not produce the same results without that "edge".

 

[Itsdahumidity]

Again, that is VERY debatable.
Remember the 20-7 (I think) win the Fins had over the Pats the year before last?

What were they saying?

that's right we KNEW the calls and we cheated.
They were a playoff team and we were barely mediocre and put a beating on them that game.

What I am getting at is MAYBE, Just MAYBE a team can be better than what they appear to be due to having players in proper position ALL THE TIME due to cheating.
Again this has NOT been proven 100% but to try to emulate the Pats RIGHT NOW is not logical considering that PERHAPS some or even much of their success is due to unfair advantages!

As for the baseball Bonds and Clemens are cheaters and liars. The rest are just cheats, but admitted cheats, for the most part!

Sorry but IMO:
- Not even close to being the same thing as far as the audio tapes are concerned.
- With the exception of this past season, our defense has always made brady uncomfortable.

The pats' model of "not having the best 22 but best 53" is a great way to combat Free Agency and a Hard Cap. But as it turns out their cheating has afforded them the opportunity to do so. If they don't cheat "name"
FAs won't feel inclined to take less and flock to them.