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The Numbers Dont Lie...Brees???

sorry......

First, let's take a look at the metrics for Brees for the 2005 season (excluding his Week 17 against the Broncos when he was knocked out with an injury)

Brees
Depth Attempts Completions Yards TD INT Pen Yds/Att
Short 304 223 1742 5 8 15 5.8
Medium 98 58 916 8 3 25 9.6
Deep 65 30 795 11 3 78 13.4
Total 467 311 3453 24 14 118 7.6


These are certainly very solid metrics. It has been said that Brees has trouble throwing deep passes, but he completed 46 percent of his deep passes in 2005. This percentage wasn't an anomaly, as Brees also completed 42 percent of his deep passes in 2004. To put that percentage in perspective, Brees finished the 2004 season with the fifth highest deep-pass completion percentage in the league, and I expect him to finish at least that high in 2005. Now let's compare these numbers against the Dolphins' tandem:


Frerotte/Rosenfels
Depth Attempts Completions Yards TD INT Pen Yds/Att
Short 329 222 1769 6 3 8 5.4
Medium 99 45 816 7 5 3 8.3
Deep 93 24 871 9 5 47 9.9
Total 521 291 3456 22 13 58 6.7

The first thing to notice about this comparison is the similarity in the short and medium pass numbers. The attempt and completion totals are nearly identical in some cases, and the other numbers are also extremely close.
 
akanapo said:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=2362347

I would have to say that Dante is by far our best ans. IF the injury hasnt ruined him....
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Yes lets look at numbers.......5 eas coast trips, 4-1 record, numbers dont lie. San Diego had the toughest schedule in the NFL last yr.
Date Opponent Time/Result DIRECTV® Channel SIRIUS Radio
Away Home
Sep 11 Dallas Lost 24-28
Sep 18 @Denver Lost 17-20
Sep 25 N.Y. Giants Won 45-23
Oct 2 @New England Won 41-17 playoff team
Oct 10 Pittsburgh Lost 22-24
Oct 16 @Oakland Won 27-14
Oct 23 @Philadelphia Lost 17-20 shuld have won
Oct 30 Kansas City Won 28-20
Nov 6 @N.Y. Jets Won 31-26 tough to win in NY, either way
Week 10 BYE
Nov 20 Buffalo Won 48-10
Nov 27 @Washington Won 23-17 Playoff team
Dec 4 Oakland Won 34-10
Dec 11 Miami Lost 21-23
Dec 18 @Indianapolis Won 26-17 Playoff team
Dec 24 @Kansas City Lost 7-20
Dec 31 Denver Lost 7-23
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Football is a team sport buddy

Bree's didnt win those games they won, and he didnt lose the games they lost.

So what is your point of showing the win/lost games?

It's better to show his own statistics
 
JG718 said:
Football is a team sport buddy
Bree's didnt win those games they won, and he didnt lose the games they lost.

So what is your point of showing the win/lost games?

It's better to show his own statistics
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My vote for dumbest quote of the year:sidelol:

Football is a team sport, I show win/loss records (TEAM RECORD), then you turn around and say show individual stats.....LMFAO
Step on the field someday, not behind your PS2 controller!!!

here are some stats:
DC 7 7 216 139 64.4 1564 7.24 68 6 12 31/169 16 2 72.0
 
Here we go again with another Brees vs. Culpepper...just look at the other 457 threads about this and you'll see how most feel...I'd say its 50/50. At any rate, I don't want either because of their injuries...Brees...a shoulder injury to a QB...could be Chad all over again, who knows...Culpepper...wont be ready for the start of this season, may not be ready until midseason. I don't want a 29 year old immobile QB who's legacy is built on a strong arm and mobility...

So...read the rest of the posts on this subject....
 
LOL

So we are now saying that Brees is a Pro Bowler, but only slightly more a Pro Bolwer then Frerotte?

Actually, now that I think about it, I heard Frerotte missed the Pro Bowl by a minimal amount of votes.
 
JG718 said:
Football is a team sport buddy

Bree's didnt win those games they won, and he didnt lose the games they lost.

So what is your point of showing the win/lost games?

It's better to show his own statistics
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Not so fast, you can't compare just stats when DC had a great OL and the best reciever in the game. DC threw in to double coverage more than any qb in the league and Moss made it work. Then last year Moss was gone and how was DC doing without his security blanket?? Not too well. You have to take that into consideration as well. Who was Brees throwing too, a tight end?? He has NO WRs.
Brees is a winner DC is a winer.
 
Daunte stunk only a few months ago......... Brees has proved he's a very good QB when surrounded by the right offense. If Brees were to come here he would still have a great recieving back and recieving TE, along with better WR's then he's ever imagined.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
Not so fast, you can't compare just stats when DC had a great OL and the best reciever in the game. DC threw in to double coverage more than any qb in the league and Moss made it work. Then last year Moss was gone and how was DC doing without his security blanket?? Not too well. You have to take that into consideration as well. Who was Brees throwing too, a tight end?? He has NO WRs.
Brees is a winner DC is a winer.
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Exaxctly.....but they are both upgrades!!!
 
akanapo said:
First, let's take a look at the metrics for Brees for the 2005 season (excluding his Week 17 against the Broncos when he was knocked out with an injury)

Brees
Depth Attempts Completions Yards TD INT Pen Yds/Att
Short 304 223 1742 5 8 15 5.8
Medium 98 58 916 8 3 25 9.6
Deep 65 30 795 11 3 78 13.4
Total 467 311 3453 24 14 118 7.6


These are certainly very solid metrics. It has been said that Brees has trouble throwing deep passes, but he completed 46 percent of his deep passes in 2005. This percentage wasn't an anomaly, as Brees also completed 42 percent of his deep passes in 2004. To put that percentage in perspective, Brees finished the 2004 season with the fifth highest deep-pass completion percentage in the league, and I expect him to finish at least that high in 2005. Now let's compare these numbers against the Dolphins' tandem:


Frerotte/Rosenfels
Depth Attempts Completions Yards TD INT Pen Yds/Att
Short 329 222 1769 6 3 8 5.4
Medium 99 45 816 7 5 3 8.3
Deep 93 24 871 9 5 47 9.9
Total 521 291 3456 22 13 58 6.7

The first thing to notice about this comparison is the similarity in the short and medium pass numbers. The attempt and completion totals are nearly identical in some cases, and the other numbers are also extremely close.
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I responded to this in another thread.....those numbers are misleading and why should his numbers in week 17 be excluded? He played like sh1t before he got hurt.
 
this is the worst article ever. He says

"Brees had 38 total inaccurate passes that cost his team yards (15 were dropped and 23 were simply off the mark). These passes would have gained a combined 422 yards.


The Dolphins' quarterback duo had 66 total inaccurate passes (28 were dropped and 38 were off the mark). These passes cost the Dolphins a total of 597 yards.
The Dolphins certainly want to upgrade their quarterback position, but the difference between Brees and the Dolphins' current stable of quarterbacks isn't as great as it might seem. Their short and medium metrics are almost identical. Brees is certainly more accurate, but the Dolphins only lost 175 more yards on inaccurate passes last year. Brees had a much higher quarterback rating, but a lot of that was due to the Dolphins' heavy reliance on the deep passing game. "

so because the dolphins' quarterbacks threw inacurate passes that were shorter they are somehow not as bad? The "average yards" lost on a "long" pass is about 9 for the dolphins QBs yet 11 for brees. Basically, the reason why they only lost 175 more yards is because the dolphins' qb's weren't throwing them as far....and still had a lot more "inacurate passes". For example if you throw the ball 5 yards 6 times and threw an inaccurate pass each time, you'd have lost 30 yards. If you threw a 25 yard bomb and it was inaccurate you'd only have lost 25 yards. It would seem as though you'd only have lost 5 yards more in the former example, however it is obvious that someone who misses 6 5 yard passes is much less accurate than someone who misses a 25 yard bomb. That's exactly what's going on with this comparison. He also doesn't factor in any "potential yards after catch" which is also leans more towards masking the numbers towards making the dolphins' qbs look better...as if you throw these long bombs it is more likely for the reciever to have burned the CB and he take it for a long ride. I understand he defines all these as "long" passes, but you have to look further to see what they really mean. Basically, you can twist stats to say anything.
 
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