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The obvious?..... and some ideas

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Start Pat white on 1st and 2nd down and CP for 3rd downs only!

Let's review some obvious or Given things: (and I submit this looking for scrutiny.. good or bad)

1.) Pennington is no threat to throw deep over the safeties. Therefore they don't bother playing deep halves or thirds and make their reads on the fly while playing the run or breaking on passes in front of them.

2.) Pennington is the most accurate QB in the history of the game but can't throw deep.

3.) The wildcat when fully implemented works. And is best run on first and second down as a change of pace or until the defense shows signs of being able to stop it.

4.) Pat White's skill set adds a potential to the wildcat that Pennington or Henne do not.

5.) 3rd and greater than 2 yds. Teams rarely try to throw deep, but instead throw to make the first.

6.) Pat white is gravely inaccurate, but will not develop unless given the opportunities.

7.) Our offensive strength is in our running game, and therefore we are a team who should "use the run to set up the pass'.

8.) The 'Phins are not adverse to platooning their QB's.

9.) The 'Phins want their best play makers on the field.

10.) The best playmakers can vary for the task at hand. (i.e. Camarillo, Bess and Hartline may be better 3rd down or possession receivers than Ginn.)

Conclusions:
1.) Start Pat White to run the offense on first and second downs. After all any QB should be able to hand it off. Run the Wild cat on occasion with PW in place of the receiver, and mix in the 3 set backfield. And 6-8 times a game allow PW to pass on 1st or second down to develop his abilities to read a defense. This will allow us to carry the over-the-top threat on the deep passing downs while giving us an athlete at QB who can run or pass out of the various positions (including the receiver set). The safeties should by necessity play back and perhaps open the running game up even further..... We should also look forward to PW taking advantage of the safeties cheating up on occasion if they automatically assume the run!

2.) Platoon Pennington in on all Third downs and especially greater than 2 yards. This will put the most accurate QB in the history of the game in to throw to his strength (the short routes). And on occasion to mix it up and run draws etc. It certainly will have the defenses paying attention to the personnel changes! PW struggles with touch and CP is at his best in these routes.

I believe that is putting our best athletes or playmakers in not only to get them on the field but also to play to their strengths..... Your thoughts?:
 
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Yes because P.White so far he has shown that he can kill momentum so let`s start him on 1st and 2nd so we don`t get any even started.
 
Yes because P.White so far he has shown that he can kill momentum so let`s start him on 1st and 2nd so we don`t get any even started.
Are you saying that Pat White is even incapable of handing off.... or playing a decoy at receiver in the Wildcat?

He's only killed momentum after our running game has gouged them so far and he was brought in to run the "spread". Therefore it could be argued that the play set was as much as a momentum killer as PW was. The same plays should work whether Pennington or White is handing off. And at least White is a threat to throw over the safeties. The only real mindset from the defense would be that PW is less of a threat to throw accurately on first or second. But how much did we throw last night on first or second down?
 
This from Peter King on his MOnday Morning QB column, seems to support my reference to CP strengths:

"Think of the previous third-and-five-yards-or-longer snaps for the Dolphins. In inverse order, here are the five in the second half that preceded this playcall: Third-and-seven, 21-yard pass to Ted Ginn; first down. Third-and-five, 15-yard pass to Ginn; first down. Third-and-six, seven-yard pass to Ginn; first down. Third-and-seven, incomplete pass to Ronnie Brown. Third-and-five, 10-yard pass to Ginn; first down. All five were passes. Pennington completed four of them, all first-down conversions.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/09/22/mail/index.html#ixzz0Rrh8ssRw


Now, most likely PW would not have hit those same throws. But our game plan called on Chad to throw only when needed as the 'Cat was working and again our strengths are our running game, our QB's efficiency and our flexibility to vary the offensive set.
 
Wow thank God our coaches dont think like this. Start Pat White on 1st and 2nd down. This might be top 5 stupidest post of all time.
 
Wow thank God our coaches dont think like this. Start Pat White on 1st and 2nd down. This might be top 5 stupidest post of all time.
You sir are an idiot. The converse to my suggestion is: Put in a weak armed QB who poses no threat of throwing the deep route and run the ball anyway. Use this same weak armed but efficient QB for short routes when you need a third down conversion.... This is in a nutshell is what we are doing.

Why not keep the same concept: Run first and hit the high percentage passes on third down as needed, but add the ability to hit the long route on occasion on first or second? Plus the wildcat would still be better off with an athlete in place of Pennington at wide out.

Or, are you of the mindset that PW can neither hand-off nor pass, nor act as a decoy!?...... What good is he then?
 
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