The Offense

[JTech194]

I thought last night was a perfect game for the offense to get on track and for us to steal a game..... My thinking was that with the recent changes at RB that Oakland wouldn't be prepared for what we were going to throw at them on offense. Well..... While we did look more fluid on offense, the end result was still the same 16 points when the game was in reach.

Now that teams have film on what our game plan will be with the new RB's, I expect the sledding to get much tougher than it was last night.

What I noticed last night is that our offensive players aren't as good as we thought they were and that's from the top down.

Outside of the offsides and illegal formation penalties... all of the holding calls (which are drive killers) were physical penalties that would have ended in negative plays had the player not held his man. This happened to Landry (which negated a big play), Pouncy and Several other players.

Our Deep threat breakout candidate receiver (Parker) hasn't been able to get open deep or we haven't looked to throw deep whichever one it is..... We won't be successful with the short quick passes because because someone will get beat physically and hold their man putting us in an unfavorable down and distance situation. Anything over 15 yards and our odds of converting a first down go wayyyyyy down.

Still has been MIA except for the occasional catch here and there.

The offensive line as a whole simply can not run block. And isn't very good in pass protection either which in my opinion is why Gase doesn't throw the ball deep.

Suh makes a GREAT diving strip sack to force a turnover and we lose yardage and get 0 points out of it.

Unless something drastic changes on offense, I don't see up winning more than 7 games and that's being generous.

 

[Phinatic8u]

Pretty much. A limited bunch of players.

 

[datruth55]

Landry's hold would have resulted in an 8 yard gain had he not held...instead of the 20 yard gain. It would have setup 2nd and 2 rather than 1st and 20.

WRs who run deep routes...like Stills and Parker, need an accurate throw or at least something inbounds that they can make a play on...doesn't happen often with Cutler. Couple that with the limited times we throw downfield and you have an ineffective deep passing game, which is what the Dolphins have.

Offensive line has been an issue. Every Dolphins fan knows it. For some reason Gase has ignored it or thought he could schematically solve it and the front office has either ignored it or just flat out been inept at picking offensive lineman in general. Dolphins scouts can't scout O-line...I've pretty much come to that conclusion. It's a long line of mediocre to absolutely horrible offensive lineman....a long line. It would be nice if we could find an offensive line coach that could develop lineman like Alex Gibbs used to do for every team he ever coached for but the Dolphins are not that fortunate and so we have to hope they can draft good O-line, which they've proven inept of doing.

Let's go through the list for the last 11 years shall we?

2007 - 2nd round OC Samson Satele, 4th round OC Drew Mormino
2008 - 1st round (1st overall) OT Jake Long, 4th round OG Shawn Murphy, 6th round Donald Thomas
2009 - 6th round OT Andrew Gardner
2010 - 3rd round OG John Jerry
2011 - 1st round (15th overall) OC Mike Pouncey
2012 - 2nd round OT Jonathan Martin
2013 - 3rd round OG Dallas Thomas
2014 - 1st round (19th overall) OT Ja'Wuan James, 3rd round OT Billy Turner
2015 - 4th round OG Jamil Douglas
2016 - 1st round (13th overall) OT Laremy Tunsil
2017 - 5th round OG Isaac Asiata

That's not a compelling list and it's certainly not a list that makes me think the Dolphins can properly scout and evaluate offensive lineman. Yet the same scouts that have been here since Jake Long was picked are still here.

 

[Michael Scott]

The next step for this offense is the open the deep passing game up. Problem is whether or not the line will be able to hold long enough for our receivers to get a step down field. And if they do, can they do so without committing a blatant hold?

Until we start airing it out deep to Parker/Stills the dinking and dunking will only put so much points up on the board. Thought we could have dropped 30+ with those awful Oakland DBs.

 

[hoops]

landrys hold was a result of a yanking of his own damn facemask causing the hands to get out of the framework of the body...was about as bad as the full pull down of the face mask of dvp at the top of his sticks route not called...

wtf are these officials looking at exactly? anyways we got away with a full leap shoulder high into the defender pick by juice that resulted in one of stills 2 catches on a shallow crosser...2 for 15 vs that d is just not showing up

juice came out of the huddle and lined up on the wrong side of the formation it's an easy fix provided the play clock allows for it but cutler rightly lit him up for it...nothing really to get over the moon on though with the criticism

raiders would gladly give you those dumps to the backs considering how much they wanted to hide that corner play...and we allowed it with short sets out the nose

 

[datruth55]

landrys hold was a result of a yanking of his own damn facemask causing the hands to get out of the framework of the body...was about as bad as the full pull down of the face mask of dvp at the top of his sticks route not called...

wtf are these officials looking at exactly? anyways we got away with a full leap shoulder high into the defender pick by juice that resulted in one of stills 2 catches on a shallow crosser...2 for 15 vs that d is just not showing up

juice came out of the huddle and lined up on the wrong side of the formation it's an easy fix provided the play clock allows for it but cutler rightly lit him up for it...nothing really to get over the moon on though with the criticism

raiders would gladly give you those dumps to the backs considering how much they wanted to hide that corner play...and we allowed it with short sets out the nose

That's at least the 3rd time this year. Going over the moon on criticism for one incident...you'd be right. But this has not been one incident, this is not a new offense to him, this is year two and 9 games into the season. All of these simple issues like lining up on the correct side of the formation, Ju'Wuan James not getting on the line properly and getting an illegal formation penalty...this far into the season...not acceptable. Tired of the Dolphins leading the league in dumb freakin players. Got a roster full of them.

Let Mike Singletary tell you how I feel.

 

[hoops]

That’s just Ja’Wuan trying to gain an advantage vs Khalil Mack. He knew what he was doing there it’s rarely called so until they do call it you keep lining up with your head slightly behind the centers mid section.

I don’t know why you are so bitter though truth. Our season was over August 3rd when tanny went down for the count

See ya in 2018 with hopefully a top 8 pick

Top 6 is probably too rich. Top 12 would be a disappointment and knowing our luck that’s where we will end up

 

[.....]

Our Deep threat breakout candidate receiver (Parker) hasn't been able to get open deep or we haven't looked to throw deep whichever one it is..... We won't be successful with the short quick passes because because someone will get beat physically and hold their man putting us in an unfavorable down and distance situation. Anything over 15 yards and our odds of converting a first down go wayyyyyy down.

Still has been MIA except for the occasional catch here and there.

The lack of a deep game is due to Cutler's inability to throw deep with any accuracy. That, and for some reason Cutler and Stills have 0 chemistry together. It's ironic that Stills is invisible at the beginning of the season, puts up big numbers when Cutler is out, and back to being invisible when Cutler returns.

Having said that, the offense wasn't the issue last night. 310 yds in the air, 90 on the ground, and Cutler had 3 TD's for a rating of 121.3.

The issue was the pass defense. Little to no pressure on Carr, every 3rd down was given up to a completed pass except is OAKs receivers dropped it. Our secondary got beat consistently over and over. If we could have just had an occasional 3rd down stop, we would have won the game.

 

[fansinceGWilson]

I thought last night was a perfect game for the offense to get on track and for us to steal a game..... My thinking was that with the recent changes at RB that Oakland wouldn't be prepared for what we were going to throw at them on offense. Well..... While we did look more fluid on offense, the end result was still the same 16 points when the game was in reach.

Now that teams have film on what our game plan will be with the new RB's, I expect the sledding to get much tougher than it was last night.

What I noticed last night is that our offensive players aren't as good as we thought they were and that's from the top down.

Outside of the offsides and illegal formation penalties... all of the holding calls (which are drive killers) were physical penalties that would have ended in negative plays had the player not held his man. This happened to Landry (which negated a big play), Pouncy and Several other players.

Our Deep threat breakout candidate receiver (Parker) hasn't been able to get open deep or we haven't looked to throw deep whichever one it is..... We won't be successful with the short quick passes because because someone will get beat physically and hold their man putting us in an unfavorable down and distance situation. Anything over 15 yards and our odds of converting a first down go wayyyyyy down.

Still has been MIA except for the occasional catch here and there.

The offensive line as a whole simply can not run block. And isn't very good in pass protection either which in my opinion is why Gase doesn't throw the ball deep.

Suh makes a GREAT diving strip sack to force a turnover and we lose yardage and get 0 points out of it.

Unless something drastic changes on offense, I don't see up winning more than 7 games and that's being generous.

According to many here . . .
Pounce - finished
OGs - AWFUL
Tonsil- bust
James - bust
Thomas - AWFUL
Stills - one trick pony
DVP - bust
Landry - regressed
Cutler - AWFUL
Williams - pedestrian
Only Landry would make another team
There is NO positive, only negatives

 

[Avalanche of Wins]

Landry's hold would have resulted in an 8 yard gain had he not held...instead of the 20 yard gain. It would have setup 2nd and 2 rather than 1st and 20.

WRs who run deep routes...like Stills and Parker, need an accurate throw or at least something inbounds that they can make a play on...doesn't happen often with Cutler. Couple that with the limited times we throw downfield and you have an ineffective deep passing game, which is what the Dolphins have.

Offensive line has been an issue. Every Dolphins fan knows it. For some reason Gase has ignored it or thought he could schematically solve it and the front office has either ignored it or just flat out been inept at picking offensive lineman in general. Dolphins scouts can't scout O-line...I've pretty much come to that conclusion. It's a long line of mediocre to absolutely horrible offensive lineman....a long line. It would be nice if we could find an offensive line coach that could develop lineman like Alex Gibbs used to do for every team he ever coached for but the Dolphins are not that fortunate and so we have to hope they can draft good O-line, which they've proven inept of doing.

Let's go through the list for the last 11 years shall we?

2007 - 2nd round OC Samson Satele, 4th round OC Drew Mormino
2008 - 1st round (1st overall) OT Jake Long, 4th round OG Shawn Murphy, 6th round Donald Thomas
2009 - 6th round OT Andrew Gardner
2010 - 3rd round OG John Jerry
2011 - 1st round (15th overall) OC Mike Pouncey
2012 - 2nd round OT Jonathan Martin
2013 - 3rd round OG Dallas Thomas
2014 - 1st round (19th overall) OT Ja'Wuan James, 3rd round OT Billy Turner
2015 - 4th round OG Jamil Douglas
2016 - 1st round (13th overall) OT Laremy Tunsil
2017 - 5th round OG Isaac Asiata

That's not a compelling list and it's certainly not a list that makes me think the Dolphins can properly scout and evaluate offensive lineman. Yet the same scouts that have been here since Jake Long was picked are still here.

makes me want to vomit everyone involved in evaluating that "talent" should face a firing squad.

 

[Aquablood]

According to many here . . .
Pounce - finished
OGs - AWFUL
Tonsil- bust
James - bust
Thomas - AWFUL
Stills - one trick pony
DVP - bust
Landry - regressed
Cutler - AWFUL
Williams - pedestrian
Only Landry would make another team
There is NO positive, only negatives

I give you a positive. Fasano did well.

 

[fansinceGWilson]

I give you a positive. Fasano did well.

That's off-script, right or not

 

[LANGER72]

I had some hope for this season(after RT went out) but this collection of players and coaches still isnt playing like a team most of the time.
The only silver lining is that there willnot be a QB controversy next year.
This oline talent is poor and over rated.
That should be the focus next year along with going to a power scheme. Now is the time.
Timmons and Maluaga were great additions compared to the trash weve fielded at LB. Maybe we can get another year out of them.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

According to many here . . .
Pounce - finished
OGs - AWFUL
Tonsil- bust
James - bust
Thomas - AWFUL
Stills - one trick pony
DVP - bust
Landry - regressed
Cutler - AWFUL
Williams - pedestrian
Only Landry would make another team
There is NO positive, only negatives

Cutler, James and Thomas were good last night. Drake was decent aside from the fumble, which was obviously very bad. DVP wasn't bad. Otherwise, yeah.

 

[AJ Duhe]

The O-line was OK for much of the night, but when you have 3 first rounders on a unit, you expect them to dominate. They haven't come close.

I've tried to not second guess the play calling too much, but Gase has some stubborn tendencies. Landry would be a dynamic bubble screen target except for the fact that Stills and DVP can't block. They're just deficient I'm that area. If Hines Ward or Larry Fitzgerald were out there with him, he would probably break a big gainer at least once a game.