The Official 2006 New York Yankees Thread!

[MikeO]

lmao at front runner when the payrolls got there full lineup jeter is like the 6th or 7 best hitter on the "team"

he's the guy pitcher want to pitch to on that "team"

with a lineup of arod bobby giambi damon etc etc jeter would have to put ungodly numbers to be mvp which he's not doing

he's not even the mvp of the yankess i would say mo is
well really steinbrenner's checkbook is

its not even wroth debating with jeter's statline right now he has not shot at all

This has nothing to do with payroll :shakeno: :shakeno: :shakeno: :shakeno: If that is the case then Ortiz shouldnt win it either since they are #2 in MLB in payroll :shakeno: Let's find a good player on a team that spends no money and make him the MVP! Please.

Jeter will win it or finish 2nd. Depending on hte final numbers and how the teams play out from here till the end of the season.

To think otherwise is just naive or hard headed

 

[NYPhinFan]

The MVP has been so catered to the sluggers. I think Jeter definately has a shot, he's been absolutely brilliant this year.

And with that, I'd like to say:

Doubleheader Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep! Woo!

I agree with you...it has been catered to sluggers..and Jeter has been brilliant!

 

[MikeO]

another thing is sometime these awards are looked at by some as "lifetime achievement awards" and not just judged on one season. That isn't right and I don't agree, but its just the way it is. (the same way Bonds has been screwed out of a couple MVP's cause people don't like him)

Jeter is such a good image for the sport and has been so good for the sport that in the eyes of some, if he is having an MVP type year, they would vote for him to win it just because its Jeter.

Like I said, I don't agree with that. But thats just the way it is.

 

[MikeO]

He definately deserves consideration...but to say he is the front runner?:confused:

He might be after last night!!! That 3 RBI double in the 7th that gave NY the lead and won the game, might end up being the death nail in Boston's coffin. If NY wins 4 of 5 or even 5 of 5 (big IF, but what if). Then that hit might have just ended their season and removed them from the playoffs. That is no small thing to overlook.

Now if Boston comes back and wins 3 in a row. Or ends up even winning 2. Then its just a big hit and you can't make that much out of it. But if Boston just rolls over here this weekend, then that hit is HUGE on so many levels and will put him uptop in the MVP race.

 

[NYPhinFan]

I am not short changing Jeter at all...he is amazing. I think right now I have Ortiz 1 and jeter 2 but that can change. His AB in the first inn of game one was just so typical. Damon got his triple...Jeter fouled off a couple of tough pitches then lined a single up the middle..just a pro. He might very well be the MVP...just don't think he is at NO 1 right now...that might change.

 

[MikeO]

I can't believe I have to argue the merits of David Ortiz to a Red Sox fan!..lol. I hear your arguement about Jeter...and I do know about the tendencies of writers when they vote. It it usually STATS driven..and they usually do ignore alot of the tangibles that Jeter shows that make him such a great player. I did not say he should not be considered...I said I didn't think he was the front runner. The personal part was not about Jeter..it was that I questioned if Jeter was the frontrunner...and the first thing you state is that I don't know much about the MVP voting.

Ortiz's numbers are alway soo good that DH or not he will always be in the thick of the MVP talk. AS HE SHOULD BE.

What kills him is he doesn't play the field (unless forced like in NL parks) and what really killed him last year is in that 3 game series in September in NY, he didn't play vs Randy Johnson one game. He sat it out. In Sep, vs NY in a race to win the division an "MVP" can't not play! Period. Just can't do it. He must be in the lineup.

Ortiz's numbers this year are far and away the BEST in the AL. What "might come back to hurt him" is the fact that...
a) He doenst play defense
b) Jeter's team could take the division and keep Ortiz out of October Baseball
c) Jeter is doing EVERYTHING (Stolen Bases, defense, Avg..etc) While Ortiz is just having monster power numbers.

The voting will be close, no doubt. But as of TODAY the edge is slightly with Jeter. But that could swing back by about 4pm today very easily.

 

[NYPhinFan]

Agreed!..but the MVP vote takes place at the end of the regular season.(reason B)

 

[MikeO]

Agreed!..but the MVP vote takes place at the end of the regular season.(reason B)

My point exactly. If Jeter and the Yanks win the East and Ortiz is at home. That works in Jeter's favor!!!

That doens't help Ortiz's MVP case that his team failed to make the playoffs

 

[NYPhinFan]

My point exactly. If Jeter and the Yanks win the East and Ortiz is at home. That works in Jeter's favor!!!

That doens't help Ortiz's MVP case that his team failed to make the playoffs

You might be right..but there have been times the MVP comes off non-playoff teams. Ortiz numbers are impressive...especially with the game on the line

 

[NYPhinFan]

Which thinking on the MVP do you subscribe to?. The guy who is the best player with the best numbers?...or the guy most valuable to his team and thier success?

 

[Ray Finkle]

My point exactly. If Jeter and the Yanks win the East and Ortiz is at home. That works in Jeter's favor!!!

That doens't help Ortiz's MVP case that his team failed to make the playoffs

Then why start a thread about Soriano winning the MVP award when his team was making golf plans in May for October tee times?

If the Sox don't make the playoffs it will have nothing to do with Ortiz. It's all about their crappy pitching recently. It doesn't help Ortiz's case that he's a DH and that's it. If he was an everyday first baseman it wouldn't matter if his team didn't make the playoffs because the award would have been handed to him a few weeks ago.

 

[NYPhinFan]

You don't know much about MVP voting, do you?

When I said it was a stretch...I meant that he was the frontrunner...not that he should not be MVP. If I have Ortiz #1 and Jeter #2....means I don't know anything about the voting?..lol..We can both agree that both are very worthy.

 

[MikeO]

Then why start a thread about Soriano winning the MVP award when his team was making golf plans in May for October tee times?

If the Sox don't make the playoffs it will have nothing to do with Ortiz. It's all about their crappy pitching recently. It doesn't help Ortiz's case that he's a DH and that's it. If he was an everyday first baseman it wouldn't matter if his team didn't make the playoffs because the award would have been handed to him a few weeks ago.

It's just 1 factor. That's all I am saying, its a factor. Not the be all and end all. But one factor.

 

[Roman529]

Nice home run pitch there Johnson you greasy zithead.

 

[MikeO]

That Hanley Rameriez for Beckett trade isn't looking so hot these days. We are a few weeks away from that being on the Kazimer for Zambrano level maybe of all time blunders.

What's the over/under on days until Beckett announces he has a blister?