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The OL is the Problem (AGAIN!)

FanMarino said:
That O line also had a certain Dan Marino behind em which makes a heck of a diffence imo. JJ shud have known better cos he had an excellent O line in Dallas.
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In 2002? Marino had been gone for 2 years by then.
 
usually if you have great skill players you can win with an average line. the problem is we don't have a skilled qb and this o line is not average.
 
Would it be OKAY if we gave Houck a few more weeks to work with the OL? :confused: Yeah, it would be nice to have the starting five settled and working together, but the OL will be a work-in-progress most of the season.

I really think things will improve as the year goes on, in fact I expect a rough start to the season but a strong finish instead of the usual December slump.
 
shouright said:
1st day ain't getting it. 1st ROUND would've been better. You don't go into a season with Wade Smith as a rookie projected as your starting left tackle. Either that or you sign big-named free agents. The line was neglected, plain and simple. You're telling me that if we'd drafted a LT in the 1st instead of Jamar Fletcher (we had Madison and Surtain) and a center in the 2nd instead of Eddie Moore (who KNOWS why he was drafted), we wouldn't have a better line right now?
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Seth McKinney was one of the highest rated centers when the team drafted him in the 3rd rd. It doesn't matter where ya get players, it matters that ya have them. Whose to say the guys would be any good if the team drafted them in the 1st? I can't tell ya the line would be better. If the line was a bunch of 1st rders, they could still be awful.
 
Deus Ex Dolphin said:
Would it be OKAY if we gave Houck a few more weeks to work with the OL? :confused: Yeah, it would be nice to have the starting five settled and working together, but the OL will be a work-in-progress most of the season.

I really think things will improve as the year goes on, in fact I expect a rough start to the season but a strong finish instead of the usual December slump.
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Houck took 5 new linemen and made them a key part of San Diego's 12-4 record last year. I'm not sure how THEY looked in the preseason last year, but I sure hope it wasn't much different from how we're looking....
 
djfresh47 said:
Seth McKinney was one of the highest rated centers when the team drafted him in the 3rd rd. It doesn't matter where ya get players, it matters that ya have them. Whose to say the guys would be any good if the team drafted them in the 1st? I can't tell ya the line would be better. If the line was a bunch of 1st rders, they could still be awful.
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Yeah but when you draft an OL in the 1st or sign a pro-bowl caliber free agent, at least it shows you aren't neglecting the position. I bet if we researched it we wouldn't find another team in the entire league that hasn't drafted an OL #1 or #2 or signed a former pro-bowl FA OL in the past 5 years. Not one team.
 
run blocking we suck, but in my opinion there is a significant difference between our pass protection at this point last season.
 
Plus, I'm a firm believer that Super Bowl teams have at least one pro-bowl, lead-by-example player at every position on the field. In other words, there's at least one OL who's a pro-bowler, at least one DL who's a pro-bowler, at least one LB who's a pro-bowler, at least one DB who's a pro-bowler, and so on. Now that may not ALWAYS happen on Super Bowl teams, but I think it's definitely a Super Bowl recipe because it encourages other guys to play up to the level of the pro-bowl caliber player at their position. Who do we have on the OL like that? That's an argument for spending at least ONE #1 pick on an OL or signing a pro-bowl caliber FA. Carey is a 1st, but he hasn't developed into a pro-bowl caliber player yet.
 
Deus Ex Dolphin said:
Would it be OKAY if we gave Houck a few more weeks to work with the OL? :confused: Yeah, it would be nice to have the starting five settled and working together, but the OL will be a work-in-progress most of the season.

I really think things will improve as the year goes on, in fact I expect a rough start to the season but a strong finish instead of the usual December slump.
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Things will have to improve, because it would be hard for it to get worse.
With no coaches around they would still get better with time. But the problem is how long is the wait and how much improvement will there be.

With a the BIG shake up that is occuring, its safe to say Saban and company think very very poorly of the OLine play. We dont need to just ignore the problem and hope it will get better or pretend it doesnt exists. Is their a specific amount of time? A few more weeks would be about 4 or so? So come regular season week 3 it should be looking better? Despite serious changes and the need to get acclimated once again. Just depends on how much better they do become I guess.
 
"how are you comparing this year to last year? we haven't even played a real game yet this year... if its the same problems after game 2, then yes you can start to worry"

Actually, given the fact that the o-line must gell in order to play well I would say we give them until about mid-season. If it still looks like crap after that we can start complaining/
 
If the new O-line stays the same as now...it is the same O-line from last year accept DMac is supposed to be better and of course Carey is manning the RT. There should not be this huge learning curve from each other.

McKinney is the only one that scares me right now (as long as Dmac truly is physically better)
 
shouright said:
Watching all this ineptitude on offense this preseason, I'm about to conclude that our offensive linemen really just don't have much ability. You can't blame it on the QB -- tons of teams have mediocre QBs and average more than 2.9 yards per carry. I mean come on.

You can't blame it on the system -- we're doing the same crap this year even though we have a system and last year's coaching cluster**** is gone.

Can't blame it on the lack of RBs -- we have Ricky back and he's shown he can still run like he used to.

Our receivers (including TE) are among the best in the league.

Can't be the OL coaching -- we have Houck now. It has to be the ability of the linemen, their cohesion with each other, or both.

But then think about it for a minute -- other than Carey, how many highly-drafted or highly-regarded free agent OLs have we gotten in the past 5 years? And I'm not talking about the Jeno Jameses and Taylor Whitleys of the world -- I'm talking about the Olin Kreutzes and Robert Gallerys.

DW and company really did patchwork with the OL. And it's ridiculous -- they were trying to replicate what they did in Dallas in the 90s, and what was always the strength of those Dallas teams?

The OL.

Boneheads....
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Yea, and until it is fixed, we are blowing in the wind with either Gus or AJ...
 
We did have Todd Wade at RT but they decided he wasn't worth the money that he wanted.

Maybe he was worth it.
 
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