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The Real Problem with Chad Henne

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There is a lot of debate here about whether Henne has improved. After the Patriots game, it seemed like a consensus was building that Henne wasn't the problem with the Dolphins after all. After yesterday's loss, some people, including Tony Sparano, still felt that Henne played well. From my point of view, the only area Henne has improved is his decision-making with regard to when to leave the pocket and run. Other than that, I am seeing the same Chad Henne we have seen since Day 1. His accuracy is poor. His passes, especially those over 15 yards, are rarely in a good spot for his receivers to make easy catches. He consistently over-throws deep passes, or pushes the ball too close to the sideline. He lacks touch on fade routes. In addition, he has always had a problem with passes being knocked down or tipped at the line of scrimmage. I am still seeing all of these issues through the first two games.

Given all of that, I still think there is a larger problem with Henne. In today's NFL, teams need a QB that can sometimes win a game on his own, when the team around him isn't playing well, when his defense may have let him down, when his running game is getting shut down, etc. A team needs a QB that can take the ball late in a close game, lead a drive down the field, and get the points required to win a game. The great QBs all do it. Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Rivers, Brees...that is what separates them as great QBs. Ryan Fitzpatrick did it yesterday for Buffalo. Sanchez has done it numerous times for the Jets. Roethlisberger does it all of the time. Rex Grossman did it yesterday for the Redskins. Josh Freeman did it repeatedly last season for Tampa Bay. We saw it throughout Dan Marino's career. When he had the ball in his hands late in a game, you knew he was going to get the team into the end zone. Winning QBs just have that knack. Think back to 2008 and how many close games the Dolphins won in the 4th quarter with Pennington leading the team to points late.

I can only think of 2, maybe 3 games at most, in his career so far where Henne was a difference maker. There was the 31-27 win against the Jets early in 2009 where Henne played extremely well. The Wildcat still played a big role in that win. Later that season, there was the 22-21 win over New England where the Dolphins drove for a late FG and Henne played very well. In 2010, Henne played well against Oakland and Green Bay, but I wouldn't say he made the difference in those games. They were solid team performances. He just never puts the team on his shoulders and wills them to a win. Every TD is a struggle with him. The red zone is his undoing. He rarely converts in pressure situations. Yesterday's game and the New England were examples. The Dolphins as a team were not playing well. Yet, there were opportunities where a big play by the QB could have shifted the momentum. Instead, we again get held to FG opportunities.

Henne just doesn't have the skills to win games on his own. That may mean he lacks the leadership skills, the confidence, the ability to think quickly to turn a bad play into a winning play, the ability to find the opportunity that the defense presents to an offense, or the accuracy required to hit the big play.

Bottom line - his "improvement" is a bit of an illusion. The true measure of his improvement would be his ability to win a game when the opportunity is presented to him. There have been opportunities out on the field the past two weeks - even in a game where Tom Brady shredded the Miami defense. Henne didn't convert those opportunities. He has converted those opportunities too few times in his career.
 
But wait, amidst all this crap we're watching, can't we at least think we have a good QB now?

We have to feel good about something, ya know?
 
There is a lot of debate here about whether Henne has improved. After the Patriots game, it seemed like a consensus was building that Henne wasn't the problem with the Dolphins after all. After yesterday's loss, some people, including Tony Sparano, still felt that Henne played well. From my point of view, the only area Henne has improved is his decision-making with regard to when to leave the pocket and run. Other than that, I am seeing the same Chad Henne we have seen since Day 1. His accuracy is poor. His passes, especially those over 15 yards, are rarely in a good spot for his receivers to make easy catches. He consistently over-throws deep passes, or pushes the ball too close to the sideline. He lacks touch on fade routes. In addition, he has always had a problem with passes being knocked down or tipped at the line of scrimmage. I am still seeing all of these issues through the first two games.

Given all of that, I still think there is a larger problem with Henne. In today's NFL, teams need a QB that can sometimes win a game on his own, when the team around him isn't playing well, when his defense may have let him down, when his running game is getting shut down, etc. A team needs a QB that can take the ball late in a close game, lead a drive down the field, and get the points required to win a game. The great QBs all do it. Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Rivers, Brees...that is what separates them as great QBs. Ryan Fitzpatrick did it yesterday for Buffalo. Sanchez has done it numerous times for the Jets. Roethlisberger does it all of the time. Rex Grossman did it yesterday for the Redskins. Josh Freeman did it repeatedly last season for Tampa Bay. We saw it throughout Dan Marino's career. When he had the ball in his hands late in a game, you knew he was going to get the team into the end zone. Winning QBs just have that knack. Think back to 2008 and how many close games the Dolphins won in the 4th quarter with Pennington leading the team to points late.

I can only think of 2, maybe 3 games at most, in his career so far where Henne was a difference maker. There was the 31-27 win against the Jets early in 2009 where Henne played extremely well. The Wildcat still played a big role in that win. Later that season, there was the 22-21 win over New England where the Dolphins drove for a late FG and Henne played very well. In 2010, Henne played well against Oakland and Green Bay, but I wouldn't say he made the difference in those games. They were solid team performances. He just never puts the team on his shoulders and wills them to a win. Every TD is a struggle with him. The red zone is his undoing. He rarely converts in pressure situations. Yesterday's game and the New England were examples. The Dolphins as a team were not playing well. Yet, there were opportunities where a big play by the QB could have shifted the momentum. Instead, we again get held to FG opportunities.

Henne just doesn't have the skills to win games on his own. That may mean he lacks the leadership skills, the confidence, the ability to think quickly to turn a bad play into a winning play, the ability to find the opportunity that the defense presents to an offense, or the accuracy required to hit the big play.

Bottom line - his "improvement" is a bit of an illusion. The true measure of his improvement would be his ability to win a game when the opportunity is presented to him. There have been opportunities out on the field the past two weeks - even in a game where Tom Brady shredded the Miami defense. Henne didn't convert those opportunities. He has converted those opportunities too few times in his career.

hes improved. hes not nearly as bad as everybody makes him out to be. he can win games. hes in the top 20. maybe top 15. the most important thing i his leadership, toughness, and decision making. theyve improved. relax. henne isnt the problem around here. and i havent been a henne guy.

but it should be clear. henne is not the problem. see what happens this year. we have no other options at this point anyways. a franchise qb isnt falling into our lap, and we didnt draft mallett. so chill with the henne noise, let him develop, hes finally in a real offense. if he can grow, it will be in his current circumstances. things are going to get AWFULLY tough around here.

pressure creates diamonds out of coal. if its hidden in him then itll come out this year. everybody was ready to annoint him after game one. now everybody wants to crucify him.

lets focus on the real issue here (sparano) and lets see what he does. its a blessing anyways. because if he plays well - maybe the next regime has something. if not and we tank? the next regime has a high pick to find their guy - nothing could be more important.
 
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The pats were 11-5 when brady was out for the season, and were 1 FREAK wildcat-unveiling game away from still winning the division.

The jets go to the AFC championship the last 2 years DESPITE sanchez and his sub-par "play it safe" play.

The '72 Dolphins Played most of the season WITHOUT Bob Greise

Tom Brady is a SHADOW of himself when the o-line is not playing well

only a few QBs like Peyton Manning, Marino etc. Truely carry the team on their shoulders.

i understand people are upset, but lets face it - the team is misfiring on many different levels and every player has been inconsistent. Lets stop overreaching for people to blame now just b/c we are bored and angry. Henne has been solid thus far with the exception of the redzone, which is not all his fault. Could not get any push in Game 1, they sidelined Reggie Game 2 (this hurt the passing game/states trust me) , Marshall could not catch a ball that hit his hands in the zone etc.
 
im not sure what games your watching but henne looks nothing like the qb he was a year ago. if you cant see the improvement your blind. henne had a great game against NE, the same team that picked off rivers 3 times and held that team to 14 points.


does he need work in the redzone, yes he does. but he isnt making the stupid mistakes that have killed him in the past. decision making, scrambling and leadership are all greatly improved from last year.

will he turn in to the qb weve been waiting for, i dont know. but this is the first time iv seen real improvement from him. another thing to look at is its not like we lost to a couple of scrub teams, we lost to teams that are projected to go deep into the playoffs.
 
im not sure what games your watching but henne looks nothing like the qb he was a year ago. if you cant see the improvement your blind. henne had a great game against NE, the same team that picked off rivers 3 times and held that team to 14 points.
And that other game we played?
 
And that other game we played?

he played much better and showed more poise than he would of last year. hes not perfect, hes not brady. to think that hes going to be great every week is foolish.

the TEAM left alot of points on the field, any of those points could have changed momentum and the game
 
he played much better and showed more poise than he would of last year. hes not perfect, hes not brady. to think that hes going to be great every week is foolish.

the TEAM left alot of points on the field, any of those points could have changed momentum and the game
He wasn't just "not great." He had a 56 QB rating and a 40% completion percentage. Those numbers are horrendous.
 
He wasn't just "not great." He had a 56 QB rating and a 40% completion percentage. Those numbers are horrendous.


what would his rating have been if marshal didnt drop the td pass and he wouldnt have been hit when he was throwing the ball that got picked off. 2 very simple plays that he had no control of, if his team mates would have done their job on either of those plays his rating would of been alot better. it is a team game
 
what would his rating have been if marshal didnt drop the td pass and he wouldnt have been hit when he was throwing the ball that got picked off. 2 very simple plays that he had no control of, if his team mates would have done their job on either of those plays his rating would of been alot better. it is a team game
Whatever his rating would've been, it still would've been that far below average if you would've done the same thing for every other QB in the league.

If you're going to remove the negative plays for Chad Henne in order to re-calculate his QB rating, you have to do that for all the other QBs as well, and then we'd have a new average QB rating, under which Chad Henne would've still fallen by the same margin.

That is unless you can prove he had significantly more negative plays of the kind you mention than the average QB yesterday.
 
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Sorry, I guess hoping to have a back-and-forth about an issue that has been plaguing this team for the past 10+ years is boring. We can all sit here wishing and hoping that Henne is the guy, but he isn't. And the longer this team sticks with him and believes that they can make him into something he isn't, the longer they are destined to be mediocre at best.

As Dolphins fans, we can hate on Sanchez all we want, critique his stats over and over. I can't stand the guy. But from someone who watches a ton of NFL games, Sanchez just has something. He can play poorly for 3 1/2 quarters, and then get in the huddle and drive that Jets team to a win. He has done it repeatedly in his brief career. He is winning playoff games. Josh Freeman was amazing last season for Tampa Bay, repeatedly winning games late in the 4th quarter. Matt Ryan is clutch. Sam Bradford has it. If you watched Bradford tonight, you saw his team crumbling around him, repeatedly making mistakes. He was calm, cool, and his passes were on the money. It seemed like every pass was in the perfect, catchable spot for his receivers. We just don't see that from Henne. And he is not going to learn it after 3 years in the NFL.
 
And that other game we played?

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Sorry, I guess hoping to have a back-and-forth about an issue that has been plaguing this team for the past 10+ years is boring. We can all sit here wishing and hoping that Henne is the guy, but he isn't. And the longer this team sticks with him and believes that they can make him into something he isn't, the longer they are destined to be mediocre at best.

As Dolphins fans, we can hate on Sanchez all we want, critique his stats over and over. I can't stand the guy. But from someone who watches a ton of NFL games, Sanchez just has something. He can play poorly for 3 1/2 quarters, and then get in the huddle and drive that Jets team to a win. He has done it repeatedly in his brief career. He is winning playoff games. Josh Freeman was amazing last season for Tampa Bay, repeatedly winning games late in the 4th quarter. Matt Ryan is clutch. Sam Bradford has it. If you watched Bradford tonight, you saw his team crumbling around him, repeatedly making mistakes. He was calm, cool, and his passes were on the money. It seemed like every pass was in the perfect, catchable spot for his receivers. We just don't see that from Henne. And he is not going to learn it after 3 years in the NFL.

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Very creative. I guess the power of positive thinking will get the Dolphins a playoff victory for the first time in 10 years.
 
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