The Real Problem with Chad Henne

[mega-fin-love]

hes improved. hes not nearly as bad as everybody makes him out to be. he can win games. hes in the top 20. maybe top 15. the most important thing i his leadership, toughness, and decision making. theyve improved. relax. henne isnt the problem around here. and i havent been a henne guy.

but it should be clear. henne is not the problem. see what happens this year. we have no other options at this point anyways. a franchise qb isnt falling into our lap, and we didnt draft mallett. so chill with the henne noise, let him develop, hes finally in a real offense. if he can grow, it will be in his current circumstances. things are going to get AWFULLY tough around here.

pressure creates diamonds out of coal. if its hidden in him then itll come out this year. everybody was ready to annoint him after game one. now everybody wants to crucify him.

lets focus on the real issue here (sparano) and lets see what he does. its a blessing anyways. because if he plays well - maybe the next regime has something. if not and we tank? the next regime has a high pick to find their guy - nothing could be more important.

Um.....No......Henne will 100% continue to be a problem until proven otherwise. Even in the first game where Henne is getting so much praise.....the guy led us to 17 points in meaningful playing time.

 

[Shouright]

Very creative. I guess the power of positive thinking will get the Dolphins a playoff victory for the first time in 10 years.

That's why the forum has the "ignore" function.

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Um.....No......Henne will 100% continue to be a problem until proven otherwise. Even in the first game where Henne is getting so much praise.....the guy led us to 17 points in meaningful playing time.

And that other game we played?

 

[hightempo]

Whatever his rating would've been, it still would've been that far below average if you would've done the same thing for every other QB in the league.

If you're going to remove the negative plays for Chad Henne in order to re-calculate his QB rating, you have to do that for all the other QBs as well, and then we'd have a new average QB rating, under which Chad Henne would've still fallen by the same margin.

That is unless you can prove he had significantly more negative plays of the kind you mention than the average QB yesterday.

first of all to try to make a case based on qb rating isnt a solid argument from a one game sample anyways. and to say well if you are going to eliminate this negative play and add that one, doesnt add anything to your case. the other poster is exactly correct. and the qb rating doesnt take these things into account.

that is SPECIFICALLY why espn and somebody like trent dilfer looked at how QBs are JUDGED and said wait a minute - i played this position and i know that how well a quarterback is playing is NOT BEING MEASURED ACCURATELY. why do u think they tried to develop a system that takes so many different variables into account, and while not perfect, more accurately measures a quarterbacks productivity on the field?

henne didnt have a great game. but clearly in this particular case if you watched the game. it wasnt nearly as bad, while still bad, as the stats indicate. there were so many factors. brandon marshall (who im beginning to wonder how reliable the guy is - how much u can depend on - u should be able to depnd on your #1) is making mental errors. he quits on routes. they dont see the same thing at times, and i think hennes correct on these reads more often than marshall is. hartline dropped several balls. pass protection was awful. longs getting beat. there are ALOT of factors.

and ordinarily id be all for piling on the guy. but honestly Henne FINALLY IS showing some signs. he really is. give the guy a chance to see how he can develop in a REAL offense with some speed around him.

you want to pile on? pile on sparano. hes a poor coach. henne? hes not gonna be a top 5 guy. so what. lets go get somebody in the offseason. but this guy can still make progress. and he can be in the top half of qbs in this league

 

[hightempo]

Um.....No......Henne will 100% continue to be a problem until proven otherwise. Even in the first game where Henne is getting so much praise.....the guy led us to 17 points in meaningful playing time.

reread what i wrote. i said henne is not THE problem. there is so much more wrong with this team than chad henne. henne is not the reason we are 0-2. and henne has played well enough to be 2-0 (or perhaps 1-1). when henne is losing games for us you have an argument. that is not the case right now. we are not losing games because of chad henne.

 

[Shouright]

first of all to try to make a case based on qb rating isnt a solid argument from a one game sample anyways.

The sample is his career, and this season isn't any better so far.

 

[CedarPhin]

The pats were 11-5 when brady was out for the season, and were 1 FREAK wildcat-unveiling game away from still winning the division.

The jets go to the AFC championship the last 2 years DESPITE sanchez and his sub-par "play it safe" play.

The '72 Dolphins Played most of the season WITHOUT Bob Greise

Tom Brady is a SHADOW of himself when the o-line is not playing well

only a few QBs like Peyton Manning, Marino etc. Truely carry the team on their shoulders.

i understand people are upset, but lets face it - the team is misfiring on many different levels and every player has been inconsistent. Lets stop overreaching for people to blame now just b/c we are bored and angry. Henne has been solid thus far with the exception of the redzone, which is not all his fault. Could not get any push in Game 1, they sidelined Reggie Game 2 (this hurt the passing game/states trust me) , Marshall could not catch a ball that hit his hands in the zone etc.

If your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle.

Seriously. We won games that year when they mattered, and the Patriots lost games when they mattered as the season went down the stretch. Basically, we won and they lost. Nothing's going to change that.

 

[hightempo]

The sample is his career, and this season isn't any better so far.

this season is better so far. lets revisit this when he has a few more games under his belt. im not defending the guy. just saying some things have changed. he has shown signs that hes capable of progressing. lets see how is plays out. personally i think they made a huge mistake and a tragic error in judgement not taking mallett when he fell. but thats neither here nor there. the bottom line is, we will have a new coach next year, and hell have a chance to find his guy.

sparky anderson used to say that you dont really know what a guy is going to be as a major leaguer until he has 1000 at bats in the majors.

chad henne has 700 at bats. were pretty sure we know what were gonna get. but let this play out just a little longer. we will know by the time we have a new coach

 

[23EmilioVasquez]

I like henne

He is a good qb but he will never be a top 5 qb in the league

He just wont be

If in next years draft there is any chance of getting Luck even if it means trading a good amount of picks then do it

I also like Landry Jones but he is more of a draft if he's there or trade a pick or two if the price is right type prospect

But im fine if we have Henne on this team next year especially if he is the transition to Luck or Jones

But I dont want one of these he might be good qbs in next years draft

Thats just me

 

[ForksPhin]

reread what i wrote. i said henne is not THE problem. there is so much more wrong with this team than chad henne. henne is not the reason we are 0-2. and henne has played well enough to be 2-0 (or perhaps 1-1). when henne is losing games for us you have an argument. that is not the case right now. we are not losing games because of chad henne.

You've taken the whole point of my original post and turned it on its head. You say we are not losing games because of Chad Henne. I say the larger problem is that WE ARE NOT WINNING GAMES BECAUSE OF CHAD HENNE. You cannot always rely on your defense, or the Wildcat, or Brandon Marshall, or Dan Carpenter to win games. Sometimes, you just need Chad Henne to step up and win a damn game on his own. To play so well that the opposition just can't stop him. To get the ball when the Dolphins are down 6 points with two minutes left and take over and refuse to lose the game. Period. We've tried enough QBs that you don't lose games because of - Gus Frerotte, Jay Fiedler, Trent Green. Game managers that you figure won't make the big mistake, won't make the negative plays that cost you the game. It doesn't work in this league anymore. You need a QB that can win games, not QB that don't lose games.

 

[mega-fin-love]

Henne has been below average his entire career and will continue to be below average until he proves otherwise. Not saying that he cant do it but to say he is much improved over last year is silly. He has led us to 0-2 start and continues to fail in the redzone.

 

[Shouright]

Henne has been below average his entire career and will continue to be below average until he proves otherwise. Not saying that he cant do it but to say he is much improved over last year is silly. He has led us to 0-2 start and continues to fail in the redzone.

And that's about as simple as it gets.

 

[hightempo]

You've taken the whole point of my original post and turned it on its head. You say we are not losing games because of Chad Henne. I say the larger problem is that WE ARE NOT WINNING GAMES BECAUSE OF CHAD HENNE. You cannot always rely on your defense, or the Wildcat, or Brandon Marshall, or Dan Carpenter to win games. Sometimes, you just need Chad Henne to step up and win a damn game on his own. To play so well that the opposition just can't stop him. To get the ball when the Dolphins are down 6 points with two minutes left and take over and refuse to lose the game. Period. We've tried enough QBs that you don't lose games because of - Gus Frerotte, Jay Fiedler, Trent Green. Game managers that you figure won't make the big mistake, won't make the negative plays that cost you the game. It doesn't work in this league anymore. You need a QB that can win games, not QB that don't lose games.

henne made those throws in the first game. he made throws TO WIN a game. we just were up against a buzz saw. the problems in the red zone - brandon marshall drop. poor play call. so many things. henne played very well in week one. he played well enough to WIN that game if it wasnt the pats. in week 2 he did not play well enough "to win" as u say. but he also did not play poorly enough to lose. somebody has to step up! marshall has made some big catches, but he misses the small ****. too many errors out of his receivers. its a new offense tho. his receivers are looking like henne has in the past.

i hear what you are saying. but im saying right now you are wrong. henne finally made the big time throws in that pats game and we are making plays DOWNFIELD. THAT IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE. things ARE different. just wait and see how things play out. the receivers obviously dont KNOW this offense yet. we are leaving plays on the field. henne is making the right reads - did u see our running game last week?

its different man. i know we are 0-2. and ive been very critical. but IT IS different. and henne CAN win games. give it this year. we will have all the answers we need.

 

[hightempo]

Henne has been below average his entire career and will continue to be below average until he proves otherwise. Not saying that he cant do it but to say he is much improved over last year is silly. He has led us to 0-2 start and continues to fail in the redzone.

ok i can deal with this, and this is accurate. but like u said until he proves otherwise. there is a glimmer. not a big one - but it is FINALLY there.

 

[jason_taylor]

There is a lot of debate here about whether Henne has improved. After the Patriots game, it seemed like a consensus was building that Henne wasn't the problem with the Dolphins after all. After yesterday's loss, some people, including Tony Sparano, still felt that Henne played well. From my point of view, the only area Henne has improved is his decision-making with regard to when to leave the pocket and run. Other than that, I am seeing the same Chad Henne we have seen since Day 1. His accuracy is poor. His passes, especially those over 15 yards, are rarely in a good spot for his receivers to make easy catches. He consistently over-throws deep passes, or pushes the ball too close to the sideline. He lacks touch on fade routes. In addition, he has always had a problem with passes being knocked down or tipped at the line of scrimmage. I am still seeing all of these issues through the first two games.

Given all of that, I still think there is a larger problem with Henne. In today's NFL, teams need a QB that can sometimes win a game on his own, when the team around him isn't playing well, when his defense may have let him down, when his running game is getting shut down, etc. A team needs a QB that can take the ball late in a close game, lead a drive down the field, and get the points required to win a game. The great QBs all do it. Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Rivers, Brees...that is what separates them as great QBs. Ryan Fitzpatrick did it yesterday for Buffalo. Sanchez has done it numerous times for the Jets. Roethlisberger does it all of the time. Rex Grossman did it yesterday for the Redskins. Josh Freeman did it repeatedly last season for Tampa Bay. We saw it throughout Dan Marino's career. When he had the ball in his hands late in a game, you knew he was going to get the team into the end zone. Winning QBs just have that knack. Think back to 2008 and how many close games the Dolphins won in the 4th quarter with Pennington leading the team to points late.

I can only think of 2, maybe 3 games at most, in his career so far where Henne was a difference maker. There was the 31-27 win against the Jets early in 2009 where Henne played extremely well. The Wildcat still played a big role in that win. Later that season, there was the 22-21 win over New England where the Dolphins drove for a late FG and Henne played very well. In 2010, Henne played well against Oakland and Green Bay, but I wouldn't say he made the difference in those games. They were solid team performances. He just never puts the team on his shoulders and wills them to a win. Every TD is a struggle with him. The red zone is his undoing. He rarely converts in pressure situations. Yesterday's game and the New England were examples. The Dolphins as a team were not playing well. Yet, there were opportunities where a big play by the QB could have shifted the momentum. Instead, we again get held to FG opportunities.

Henne just doesn't have the skills to win games on his own. That may mean he lacks the leadership skills, the confidence, the ability to think quickly to turn a bad play into a winning play, the ability to find the opportunity that the defense presents to an offense, or the accuracy required to hit the big play.

Bottom line - his "improvement" is a bit of an illusion. The true measure of his improvement would be his ability to win a game when the opportunity is presented to him. There have been opportunities out on the field the past two weeks - even in a game where Tom Brady shredded the Miami defense. Henne didn't convert those opportunities. He has converted those opportunities too few times in his career.

and if you belive that YOU DONT KNOW FOOTBALL THATS A FACT.

 

[jason_taylor]

I like henne

He is a good qb but he will never be a top 5 qb in the league

He just wont be

If in next years draft there is any chance of getting Luck even if it means trading a good amount of picks then do it

I also like Landry Jones but he is more of a draft if he's there or trade a pick or two if the price is right type prospect

But im fine if we have Henne on this team next year especially if he is the transition to Luck or Jones

But I dont want one of these he might be good qbs in next years draft

Thats just me

IMO Henne can be a top 10 QB in this league, BUT until we get A REAL COACH, Henne or the miami dolphins isnt going to do squat . sparano called SO MANY BAD PLAYS SUNDAY IT WASNT EVEN FUNNY . the first was putting carroll on johnson AND THERE WAS NO OVER THE TOP SAFTEY, not on either play where he was over thrown or when he caught it for a TD , because if there was over the top help it would have been int by miami , but i watched the game and carroll was left out there in space with the best WR in football .the othere mistake was not useing bush like we did in preseason , dont get me wrong thomas done a decent job but you got to get your playmakers involved and we just didnt do it .another thing, we punted the ball with 8 mins left , 4th and 1 , and our defence wasnt playing well at the time, our offence was . marshall was owning jason allen and WE PUNTED . AND ALOT ON HERE SAYING IT WAS HENNES FAULT ? YOU GUYS KNOW BETTER .thast bull**** to say otherwise henne is starting to get into his groove but our coaching is killing us ITS ALL ON SPARONO AND IRELAND NOT HENNE.