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The Real Problem with Chad Henne

Sorry, I guess hoping to have a back-and-forth about an issue that has been plaguing this team for the past 10+ years is boring. We can all sit here wishing and hoping that Henne is the guy, but he isn't. And the longer this team sticks with him and believes that they can make him into something he isn't, the longer they are destined to be mediocre at best.

As Dolphins fans, we can hate on Sanchez all we want, critique his stats over and over. I can't stand the guy. But from someone who watches a ton of NFL games, Sanchez just has something. He can play poorly for 3 1/2 quarters, and then get in the huddle and drive that Jets team to a win. He has done it repeatedly in his brief career. He is winning playoff games. Josh Freeman was amazing last season for Tampa Bay, repeatedly winning games late in the 4th quarter. Matt Ryan is clutch. Sam Bradford has it. If you watched Bradford tonight, you saw his team crumbling around him, repeatedly making mistakes. He was calm, cool, and his passes were on the money. It seemed like every pass was in the perfect, catchable spot for his receivers. We just don't see that from Henne. And he is not going to learn it after 3 years in the NFL.

Correct....Sanchez does have something...a D that carries the team until he stops "sucking" for 3 qtrs. He had 2 picks to go along with his 2 td's against the jags. oh, and do you think it helped that the jags starting qb threw 4 "gift" int's??
 
So, did anyone catch the last episode of American Chopper?.......

HOLY CRAP!!!! How many Henne threads are going to get started around here???? Find something else, it's getting really old listening to idiots find a couple stats that aren't good to point out how bad he is. He is problem # 10 out 10 on this team, move on. He is NOT what is costing us games and frankly if you think he is.....YOU are a complete idiot!!!

Lord please forgive me for that, and be with the starving pygmy's in New Guinea...Amen
 
Henne needs good players around him just to be an average QB. He doesnt make people around him better, and he doesnt win us games. You all know the details, and I dont need to give you examples. So are you guys really satisfied with that kind of a QB?
 
Henne has been below average his entire career and will continue to be below average until he proves otherwise. Not saying that he cant do it but to say he is much improved over last year is silly. He has led us to 0-2 start and continues to fail in the redzone.

HENNE has led us to an 0-2 start?!?! How about our vaunted top 5 defense leading us to an 0-2 start? How about our genious head coach who has lost the team after 2 games leading us to an 0-2 start? How about our fantasic o-line leading us to a 0-2 start? How about our kicker helping lead us to an 0-2 start? You could go on an on...Henne is the least of our problems right now.

"To say he is much improved over last year is silly."...Seriously...Are you watching the same Dolphin games I am? If you do not think he is playing much better that he did last year, you are not even close to being objective. Does he still have things to work on? Absolutely. But what we are getting out Henne right now, is better than anything we got out of him all of last season. Especially considering he is getting rushed every play and getting the heck beat out of him due to that fantastic o-line (especially our RG and RT) Sparano put together. Yea, Sunday wasn't great. However, the stats look much worse than Henne did during the game. The interception was Columbo's fault. The TD drop was Marshall's fault (that was a nice pass), and I believe there were 5 other drops by the WR's.
 
You are wrong plain and simple; he was throwing the ball well Sunday too; nobody was catching the ball for him
 
Henne needs good players around him just to be an average QB. He doesnt make people around him better, and he doesnt win us games. You all know the details, and I dont need to give you examples. So are you guys really satisfied with that kind of a QB?

Conversely, the people around Henne aren't doing anything to help our QB look better either. Unless you appreciate the revolving door play of Carey and Columbo and that they are greatly helping force Henne to get rid of the ball within 2 seconds of the snap. WR's could also help out the QB by not dropping passes.

Could Henne, be better, yes. But as I have stated before, right now he is really the least of our problems. Anyone placing most of the blame at his feet right now is not being objective.

If the way Henne is playing right now WAS our biggest issue right now...we would be 2 - 0.
 
And that other game we played?

Does he block or kick FGs? Does he rush the passer or defend A. Johnson

Team game 3 facets we are a loooooooooooooooong way off from being considerd PO calibre

Your real issue is that the D is not as good as people were made to believe unfortuantely the D also read the same headlines this past summer and are now well behind - they have less time to get it together
 
Sorry, I guess hoping to have a back-and-forth about an issue that has been plaguing this team for the past 10+ years is boring. We can all sit here wishing and hoping that Henne is the guy, but he isn't. And the longer this team sticks with him and believes that they can make him into something he isn't, the longer they are destined to be mediocre at best.

As Dolphins fans, we can hate on Sanchez all we want, critique his stats over and over. I can't stand the guy. But from someone who watches a ton of NFL games, Sanchez just has something. He can play poorly for 3 1/2 quarters, and then get in the huddle and drive that Jets team to a win. He has done it repeatedly in his brief career. He is winning playoff games. Josh Freeman was amazing last season for Tampa Bay, repeatedly winning games late in the 4th quarter. Matt Ryan is clutch. Sam Bradford has it. If you watched Bradford tonight, you saw his team crumbling around him, repeatedly making mistakes. He was calm, cool, and his passes were on the money. It seemed like every pass was in the perfect, catchable spot for his receivers. We just don't see that from Henne. And he is not going to learn it after 3 years in the NFL.

The special something is that he isn't playing behind 3-4 scores before he connects... Look back at the AFC championship game the Steelers O got so far ahead they lost interest - Sanchez had to create something and almost got them ahead but playing from that far behind is really hard on a team built to grind it out -

While keeping the score close Sanchez has a D that keeps giving him the ball back sometimes in great field position - even the clock strikes 12 twice a day of course he is going to connect once in a blue moon... Sanchez bread and butter is after 3 quarters of handing it off - the play fake and Keller down the seam...

His other signature play and this is how he gets to pad his yardage - the Screen pass - they are predictably good versus predictably bad - they are good at what they do...

He won't ever get to the SB until he rounds out his game
 
The special something is that he isn't playing behind 3-4 scores before he connects... Look back at the AFC championship game the Steelers O got so far ahead they lost interest - Sanchez had to create something and almost got them ahead but playing from that far behind is really hard on a team built to grind it out -

While keeping the score close Sanchez has a D that keeps giving him the ball back sometimes in great field position - even the clock strikes 12 twice a day of course he is going to connect once in a blue moon... Sanchez bread and butter is after 3 quarters of handing it off - the play fake and Keller down the seam...

His other signature play and this is how he gets to pad his yardage - the Screen pass - they are predictably good versus predictably bad - they are good at what they do...

He won't ever get to the SB until he rounds out his game

We run screen passes? Really? Because our whole fan base b*tches at Schottenheimer for not calling enough of them. We ran 3 against the Cowboys, all of which gained good yardage, and 2 against the Jags. We should run more screens, but we don't. Almost all of Tomlinson's receptions are check downs, and he's the only guy we use for that role, Keller's receptions almost all come 8+ yards down the field.

The whole, "the defense carries Sanchez" argument is a false narrative. Sanchez's best games have been when the defense hasn't played well. Against Cleveland and Houston last year, we had the lead late in the game, the defense collapsed, and Sanchez pulled one last drive out of ***. We were down by 10 against the Lions with 4 minutes to go. Those were times where the team said "OK, go win the game for us" and he did it. That's the difference between Sanchez and Henne. When their teams tell them "Go win the game" more times than not, Sanchez comes back with the "W" and Henne with the "L."
 
We run screen passes? Really? Because our whole fan base b*tches at Schottenheimer for not calling enough of them. We ran 3 against the Cowboys, all of which gained good yardage, and 2 against the Jags. We should run more screens, but we don't. Almost all of Tomlinson's receptions are check downs, and he's the only guy we use for that role, Keller's receptions almost all come 8+ yards down the field.

The whole, "the defense carries Sanchez" argument is a false narrative. Sanchez's best games have been when the defense hasn't played well. Against Cleveland and Houston last year, we had the lead late in the game, the defense collapsed, and Sanchez pulled one last drive out of ***. We were down by 10 against the Lions with 4 minutes to go. Those were times where the team said "OK, go win the game for us" and he did it. That's the difference between Sanchez and Henne. When their teams tell them "Go win the game" more times than not, Sanchez comes back with the "W" and Henne with the "L."

Yes you do run screen passes - I am referring to last year in these comments

You see when you are down 20 pts after the half you lose just like Pitt did you in - I know you think you were close in that one but the score wasn't telling the full truth - they carved you in the first half and they watched you run out the clock on yourselves the whole second half

Sanchez is a good care-taker but if you go down 3-4 scores you got a real problem there

When we go down one score we got a real problem here

Sanchez is part of a culture of recent winning and that is good and looks on paper better than Henne - but no one would argue that Testeverde could hold Marino's sweaty jock
 
There is a lot of debate here about whether Henne has improved. After the Patriots game, it seemed like a consensus was building that Henne wasn't the problem with the Dolphins after all. After yesterday's loss, some people, including Tony Sparano, still felt that Henne played well. From my point of view, the only area Henne has improved is his decision-making with regard to when to leave the pocket and run. Other than that, I am seeing the same Chad Henne we have seen since Day 1. His accuracy is poor. His passes, especially those over 15 yards, are rarely in a good spot for his receivers to make easy catches. He consistently over-throws deep passes, or pushes the ball too close to the sideline. He lacks touch on fade routes. In addition, he has always had a problem with passes being knocked down or tipped at the line of scrimmage. I am still seeing all of these issues through the first two games.

Given all of that, I still think there is a larger problem with Henne. In today's NFL, teams need a QB that can sometimes win a game on his own, when the team around him isn't playing well, when his defense may have let him down, when his running game is getting shut down, etc. A team needs a QB that can take the ball late in a close game, lead a drive down the field, and get the points required to win a game. The great QBs all do it. Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Rivers, Brees...that is what separates them as great QBs. Ryan Fitzpatrick did it yesterday for Buffalo. Sanchez has done it numerous times for the Jets. Roethlisberger does it all of the time. Rex Grossman did it yesterday for the Redskins. Josh Freeman did it repeatedly last season for Tampa Bay. We saw it throughout Dan Marino's career. When he had the ball in his hands late in a game, you knew he was going to get the team into the end zone. Winning QBs just have that knack. Think back to 2008 and how many close games the Dolphins won in the 4th quarter with Pennington leading the team to points late.

I can only think of 2, maybe 3 games at most, in his career so far where Henne was a difference maker. There was the 31-27 win against the Jets early in 2009 where Henne played extremely well. The Wildcat still played a big role in that win. Later that season, there was the 22-21 win over New England where the Dolphins drove for a late FG and Henne played very well. In 2010, Henne played well against Oakland and Green Bay, but I wouldn't say he made the difference in those games. They were solid team performances. He just never puts the team on his shoulders and wills them to a win. Every TD is a struggle with him. The red zone is his undoing. He rarely converts in pressure situations. Yesterday's game and the New England were examples. The Dolphins as a team were not playing well. Yet, there were opportunities where a big play by the QB could have shifted the momentum. Instead, we again get held to FG opportunities.

Henne just doesn't have the skills to win games on his own. That may mean he lacks the leadership skills, the confidence, the ability to think quickly to turn a bad play into a winning play, the ability to find the opportunity that the defense presents to an offense, or the accuracy required to hit the big play.

Bottom line - his "improvement" is a bit of an illusion. The true measure of his improvement would be his ability to win a game when the opportunity is presented to him. There have been opportunities out on the field the past two weeks - even in a game where Tom Brady shredded the Miami defense. Henne didn't convert those opportunities. He has converted those opportunities too few times in his career.

Sorry but the facts don't agree with your impressions at all--it's not Henne. First, how many QB's in the league can you name that can actually win a game on their own? I can only think of three: P. Manning, T. Brady and A. Rogers--and some could argue even those are a stretch. There are lots of great QB's in the NFL but very few are one man shows. Some encouraging Henne stats: 10th passing yards/gm, 16th yards per catch, 14th TD passes, 3rd in passes over +20 yds. Still also have to weigh how bad our o-line is playing and that we have a totally new offensive system. Coaching, defense and special teams are killing us. Henne is fine.
 
There is a lot of debate here about whether Henne has improved. After the Patriots game, it seemed like a consensus was building that Henne wasn't the problem with the Dolphins after all. After yesterday's loss, some people, including Tony Sparano, still felt that Henne played well. From my point of view, the only area Henne has improved is his decision-making with regard to when to leave the pocket and run. Other than that, I am seeing the same Chad Henne we have seen since Day 1. His accuracy is poor. His passes, especially those over 15 yards, are rarely in a good spot for his receivers to make easy catches. He consistently over-throws deep passes, or pushes the ball too close to the sideline. He lacks touch on fade routes. In addition, he has always had a problem with passes being knocked down or tipped at the line of scrimmage. I am still seeing all of these issues through the first two games.

Given all of that, I still think there is a larger problem with Henne. In today's NFL, teams need a QB that can sometimes win a game on his own, when the team around him isn't playing well, when his defense may have let him down, when his running game is getting shut down, etc. A team needs a QB that can take the ball late in a close game, lead a drive down the field, and get the points required to win a game. The great QBs all do it. Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Rivers, Brees...that is what separates them as great QBs. Ryan Fitzpatrick did it yesterday for Buffalo. Sanchez has done it numerous times for the Jets. Roethlisberger does it all of the time. Rex Grossman did it yesterday for the Redskins. Josh Freeman did it repeatedly last season for Tampa Bay. We saw it throughout Dan Marino's career. When he had the ball in his hands late in a game, you knew he was going to get the team into the end zone. Winning QBs just have that knack. Think back to 2008 and how many close games the Dolphins won in the 4th quarter with Pennington leading the team to points late.

I can only think of 2, maybe 3 games at most, in his career so far where Henne was a difference maker. There was the 31-27 win against the Jets early in 2009 where Henne played extremely well. The Wildcat still played a big role in that win. Later that season, there was the 22-21 win over New England where the Dolphins drove for a late FG and Henne played very well. In 2010, Henne played well against Oakland and Green Bay, but I wouldn't say he made the difference in those games. They were solid team performances. He just never puts the team on his shoulders and wills them to a win. Every TD is a struggle with him. The red zone is his undoing. He rarely converts in pressure situations. Yesterday's game and the New England were examples. The Dolphins as a team were not playing well. Yet, there were opportunities where a big play by the QB could have shifted the momentum. Instead, we again get held to FG opportunities.

Henne just doesn't have the skills to win games on his own. That may mean he lacks the leadership skills, the confidence, the ability to think quickly to turn a bad play into a winning play, the ability to find the opportunity that the defense presents to an offense, or the accuracy required to hit the big play.

Bottom line - his "improvement" is a bit of an illusion. The true measure of his improvement would be his ability to win a game when the opportunity is presented to him. There have been opportunities out on the field the past two weeks - even in a game where Tom Brady shredded the Miami defense. Henne didn't convert those opportunities. He has converted those opportunities too few times in his career.


Wow, looks like just about everything I said last week applies today. Henne's throws were inaccurate - for instance he couldn't hit Hartline in stride on what would have been a TD. Henne stalled in the red zone again. Most importantly, he couldn't win the game when it was there to be won - unlike Colt McCoy, who did make the play that won the game.
 
Henne does not kick field goals, cover TEs, or blow coverages. The problem with Henne is all his drives start in dolphin territory and end in the red zone. He cant control all of that but damn has Misi made a play this year? Has Burnett made a play? How about Davis? What about special teams?
 
Henne does not kick field goals, cover TEs, or blow coverages. The problem with Henne is all his drives start in dolphin territory and end in the red zone. He cant control all of that but damn has Misi made a play this year? Has Burnett made a play? How about Davis? What about special teams?

You are making excuses for a QB averaging 17 points a game. Just because there are other issues going on does not mean that this isn't an area directly causing us to lose football games.
 
The last drive started in Browns territory and we couldn't gain a freaking yard. excuses excuses excuses. It will never stop.
 
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