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Yes I know what some of you are thinking another post about John Beck. Way to beat a dead horse right? I just had to get this off my chest though. I have no hate towards Beck, He seems like a classy guy and a great person but that doesn't mean that he should remain on our team. Some of you Beck fans don't realize that the NFL is way way more than just simple football. It is business and politics. Bill Parcells, Jeff Ireland, and Tony Sparano did not draft this guy. They came here and they have see that he is not the QB for them. Picking up McCown, drafting Henne, and now with Pennington here is evidence of that. If Cam and Mueller were still here (and thank god they're not) Beck wouldn't be up for debate about being cut or traded, but they are not here anymore. My main point is this, the NFL is also business and politics, and this new regime doesn't really care for Beck. It may not be "fair" to him, but that is just the way it is. Does anybody else realize this?
 
Excellent post.

People need to remember that coaches want "their guys". That is why Wannstedt dumped Marino when he may have had something left in the tank. That is why Parcells dumped Feely and why Saban dumped Ed Perry.
 
phin2004 said:
Yes I know what some of you are thinking another post about John Beck. Way to beat a dead horse right? I just had to get this off my chest though. I have no hate towards Beck, He seems like a classy guy and a great person but that doesn't mean that he should remain on our team. Some of you Beck fans don't realize that the NFL is way way more than just simple football. It is business and politics. Bill Parcells, Jeff Ireland, and Tony Sparano did not draft this guy. They came here and they have see that he is not the QB for them. Picking up McCown, drafting Henne, and now with Pennington here is evidence of that. If Cam and Mueller were still here (and thank god they're not) Beck wouldn't be up for debate about being cut or traded, but they are not here anymore. My main point is this, the NFL is also business and politics, and this new regime doesn't really care for Beck. It may not be "fair" to him, but that is just the way it is. Does anybody else realize this?
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Well Said
 
yea, i realized this a couple of days ago. I wanna trade him for either miles austin, Sam hurd, or Isaiah Stanback.
 
I honestly don't think it was all that clear until they got Pennington. They did give Beck equal time to compete, and I don't believe they would have done that if they didn't think he had a chance at all.

When they brought in Pennington and Henne shined, that is what seems to have killed Beck.

I have never been a basher or supporter BTW and I do think it looks really bad for Beck on this team.
 
phin2004 said:
Yes I know what some of you are thinking another post about John Beck. Way to beat a dead horse right? I just had to get this off my chest though. I have no hate towards Beck, He seems like a classy guy and a great person but that doesn't mean that he should remain on our team. Some of you Beck fans don't realize that the NFL is way way more than just simple football. It is business and politics. Bill Parcells, Jeff Ireland, and Tony Sparano did not draft this guy. They came here and they have see that he is not the QB for them. Picking up McCown, drafting Henne, and now with Pennington here is evidence of that. If Cam and Mueller were still here (and thank god they're not) Beck wouldn't be up for debate about being cut or traded, but they are not here anymore. My main point is this, the NFL is also business and politics, and this new regime doesn't really care for Beck. It may not be "fair" to him, but that is just the way it is. Does anybody else realize this?
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The issue is whether Beck is an NFL caliber QB (backup or otherwise).
The argument I (and others) have made is that it's too early to tell what we have in Beck and it would be foolish to cut him at this point. Has absolutely nothing to do with Henne.
For the record, I'm of the opinion that some players develop differently than others and some require 2-3 yrs (Brees, Carson Palmer etc.) to reach their potential.
I am against releasing any early rd draft pick after only their 2nd TC (regardless of position).
Tampa Bay has 5-6 QB's on the roster so I don't see what the hurry is having to release any QB. This is a situation where the FO can afford to be patient. If they are shopping him for a draft pick that's fine. I think he can succeed in a different system. In fact, I think he could actually compete for the starting job in San Fran or KC.
Henne, looks to me to have the makings of a future pro bowler so the fact that Beck may not be as good is irrelevant.
There are plenty of solid QB's in the league who aren't Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.
 
I disagree to the extent that Beck is still having issues just like last year. Yes Cam and Mueller probably would have held on to him with those issues regarless yet I also beleive if he was making strong progress Ireland and Parcells would hang onto to him regarless if he was their man or not. Ireland did say he was high on Beck and he did not have to say that. I hope they keep Beck over McCown so we can see how he develops now that the monkey is off his back. The kid has not handled the pressure well but give him a year and some room to grow and we may see a complete different QB. He looks small to me on the down side and is having to change his throwing motion. But everything I have read is he is a student of the game and a family guy which are the 2 highest qualities that Parcells holds highest. We have given up on QBs way to early in the past so lets give him some space and see what happens. If he caves to the pressure of being a 3rd stringer will then bye but lets see if he comes up fighting.
 
WaywardZest said:
Excellent post.

People need to remember that coaches want "their guys". That is why Wannstedt dumped Marino when he may have had something left in the tank. That is why Parcells dumped Feely and why Saban dumped Ed Perry.
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Not only that but Jimmy Johnson had a tough relationship with Marino. He would have loved to bring in somebody that he liked, but at that point Marino wasn't playing as bad as he did in 99 and getting rid of a guy like Dan Marino in the mid 90's would be a PR nightmare for a new head coach.
 
jlfin said:
The issue is whether Beck is an NFL caliber QB (backup or otherwise).
The argument I (and others) have made is that it's too early to tell what we have in Beck and it would be foolish to cut him at this point. Has absolutely nothing to do with Henne.
For the record, I'm of the opinion that some players develop differently than others and some require 2-3 yrs (Brees, Carson Palmer etc.) to reach their potential.
I am against releasing any early rd draft pick after only their 2nd TC (regardless of position).
Tampa Bay has 5-6 QB's on the roster so I don't see what the hurry is having to release any QB. This is a situation where the FO can afford to be patient. If they are shopping him for a draft pick that's fine. I think he can succeed in a different system. In fact, I think he could actually compete for the starting job in San Fran or KC.
Henne, looks to me to have the makings of a future pro bowler so the fact that Beck may not be as good is irrelevant.
There are plenty of solid QB's in the league who aren't Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.
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You really missed my point. That is that Beck is not this regimes type of guy. I agree with you that it is too early to tell what he can do and he may end up being better than the 3 other QB's we have who knows? but it doesn't matter. Because Beck is not Parcells and Ireland's kind of player. It's all about business and politics.
 
phin2004 said:
You really missed my point. That is that Beck is not this regimes type of guy. I agree with you that it is too early to tell what he can do and he may end up being better than the 3 other QB's we have who knows? but it doesn't matter. Because Beck is not Parcells and Ireland's kind of player. It's all about business and politics.
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So what's wrong with developing him as a young talent and trading him next yr like Atlanta did with Schaub?
Prematurely releasing him would be a very stupid FO move IMO and I would say the same thing for any 2nd yr player who was a high draft pick (regardless of position). I understood your point, but I think it would be foolhardy for them to release a 2nd yr player for nothing.
His cap number is not high for a backup.
After 6yrs we know what we have in McCown (not much). Beck can still develop.
 
WaywardZest said:
Excellent post.

People need to remember that coaches want "their guys". That is why Wannstedt dumped Marino when he may have had something left in the tank. That is why Parcells dumped Feely and why Saban dumped Ed Perry.
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No offense dude...But......Ed Perry?

Marino had *Something* left. Feely had *Somthing* left.....

Perry never had anythign to *HAVE* somthing left. Not an apt comparison. Just between Marino and and Perry, its a HOF QB vs a 3rd string TE that couldn't hold onto a ball and DNP for the Chefs last year.
 
i do not understand the idiots that gave this thread a one star rating. you made a very good point. our current regime wants to have there types of players in here. with us bringing in 3 different quarterbacks it shows that they do not have much confidence in beck's ability to be the starting quarterback.
 
I gave it a one star rating. If you want to call me an idiot, fine. But starting the 347th thread about John Beck over the last two weeks without a single iota of news to base it off, with the only significant contribution being an angle that has already been argued back and forth a few dozen times, isn't exactly what I call high quality. It's just someone jumping on a soapbox who doesn't really have anything worth buying. No offense to anyone in here. I've seen some other negative threads on Beck that actually have something to offer, and I wouldn't one-star those. I'll one-star this one, though.
 
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