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The Success Of The Dolphins Does Not Depend Solely On Tua's Health!

MARINO1384 said:
Equal shot no but they do have a shot.

Would you rather have a shot as slim as it may be or no shot? Seems like a logical choice to me.

There’s no guarantee blowing things up gets you a better team in fact I’d say it’s highly likely things get and stay much worse.

We are in a bit of a golden age of QBs, not because of the talent at the top but the overall quality of QBs there’s about 20 guys that are just good overall or better starters which is something unlike anything nfl has seen in their history. Take a look back and at any time it was usually around 8-12 of the above described. 2009-2016 was a pretty big dry spell that only produce 2/3 guys and the biggest in luck retired early after like 6 seasons.

Qb improvement aside, we couldn’t build a quality team with a solid qb now throw in not only do you want to attempt to improve the qb situation but also miraculously improve the entire roster? Obviously it depends on who the gm and coach are but news flash the same guy that put the current administration in place is still in charge and it’s going to be Ross once again making the decisions. You want to talk about lottery? That’s the real lottery you guys are screaming for, that far outweighs my odds of lucking into the Super Bowl.

Quick someone who’s good at math calculate the odds on Stephen Ross finally picking the right gm and coach after like 6 tries, that said gm finding a better qb than Tua while dramatically improving the overall roster to a chiefs or eagles level roster? Better or worse than general lotto ticket odds?
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Shots like we've had the last few years? No I couldn't care less. It was obvious as the day is long, we had ZERO % chance of winning a Superbowl in any of those seasons.
 
MARINO1384 said:
In terms of ultimate goal of a Super Bowl I suppose nothing but you can say that for just about every team besides the chiefs and eagles lately.

Not exactly where you want to be but Tua has helped Miami be the most competitive they’ve been in the last 20 years or so. Need a more complete team to go to the next level.
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We were just about as competitive in the Tannehill years. Squeaked in to the playoffs get smoked. Repeat
 
Martel13 said:
We were just about as competitive in the Tannehill years. Squeaked in to the playoffs get smoked. Repeat
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They weren’t. They snuck in one year and were 6-10 the year before and year after.

That’s not the same as making it back to back in 2022 and 2023. Got unlucky in 2020 being 10-6 the same record tannehill snuck in as just was one of the few in nfl history where a 10 win team didn’t make it. I imagine they make it this year if Tua doesn’t get injured hell they make it even with the injury if our coaches weren’t so stupid to force Tua to miss the extra week after the bye and we beat the colts easily with Tua.
 
phinsforlife said:
i disagree, but since you wanted to go there, i believe the dolphins roster ex tua was well above NFL average. in 2023, we had the 4th most pro-bowlers in the entire nfl. all the excuse making is tiresome. it is always something. if josh allen is the dolphins QB, in the same situation, with the same coaches, and same roster, and same other injuries to the roster, i believe the dolphins are 12-4 or 11-5 each year, and winning playoff games, with an outside shot at the SB. the team would also be a lot tougher and hard nosed, following the lead of the QB on the field who is taking hits and running people over, as opposed to running into opposing DBs and knocking himself out. tua is nowhere near the category of elite, and should not be a $55mm a year QB. all it does is make the TEAM worse at the end of the day, because tua's salary takes too much away from the rest of the roster and he is not good enough to make up the difference.
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I guess you didn't read what I wrote. I said Josh allen, mahomes, burrow, jackson would lift the team more than Tua. I also said I was not talking about the 2023 roster. 2023 was a really good roster. I was talking about 2024 roster and 2025.
2024 roster only a handful of qbs have success with either one.

Welcome to the New nfl where top 12-15 qbs get 50 million dollars a year. That is how it works these days.

You wrote seveal times thats this post was not about tua and it wasn't.
. BUT YOU PROVED THAT THE TEAM IS A 500 Team OR A GAME ABOVE 500 WITH Tua OVER THE COURSE OF THE SEASON BUT A 2 WIN TEAM WITHOUT Tua irregardless of your intentions with your post. That is a big difference. Especially if I used the WAR Antaltyics of WINS ABOVE REPLACMENT. So Tua supporters will appreciate that.
 
Martel13 said:
We were just about as competitive in the Tannehill years. Squeaked in to the playoffs get smoked. Repeat
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So you are telling me that one playoff apperance with Tannehill is better or the same as the two we had with Tua?
Also ,Tannehill with the dolphins only finished above 500 once during his tenure from 2012-2018. That was the playoff season. Tua teams have been over 500 every year except this last one.
 
MARINO1384 said:
Equal shot no but they do have a shot.

Would you rather have a shot as slim as it may be or no shot? Seems like a logical choice to me.

There’s no guarantee blowing things up gets you a better team in fact I’d say it’s highly likely things get and stay much worse.

We are in a bit of a golden age of QBs, not because of the talent at the top but the overall quality of QBs there’s about 20 guys that are just good overall or better starters which is something unlike anything nfl has seen in their history. Take a look back and at any time it was usually around 8-12 of the above described. 2009-2016 was a pretty big dry spell that only produce 2/3 guys and the biggest in luck retired early after like 6 seasons.

Qb improvement aside, we couldn’t build a quality team with a solid qb now throw in not only do you want to attempt to improve the qb situation but also miraculously improve the entire roster? Obviously it depends on who the gm and coach are but news flash the same guy that put the current administration in place is still in charge and it’s going to be Ross once again making the decisions. You want to talk about lottery? That’s the real lottery you guys are screaming for, that far outweighs my odds of lucking into the Super Bowl.

Quick someone who’s good at math calculate the odds on Stephen Ross finally picking the right gm and coach after like 6 tries, that said gm finding a better qb than Tua while dramatically improving the overall roster to a chiefs or eagles level roster? Better or worse than general lotto ticket odds?
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i do not think we are in a golden age of QBs. i think the rules have changed so much, they drastically favor the QB and offense. then the other problem is QBs are over glorified because of how they are paid. right now i think only 3-4 of them are truly elite, and that is probably not much different than in the past. what is different is all of the sudden now QB #15 (trevor lawrence for example) gets paid $55mm a year
 
MARINO1384 said:
They weren’t. They snuck in one year and were 6-10 the year before and year after.

That’s not the same as making it back to back in 2022 and 2023. Got unlucky in 2020 being 10-6 the same record tannehill snuck in as just was one of the few in nfl history where a 10 win team didn’t make it. I imagine they make it this year if Tua doesn’t get injured hell they make it even with the injury if our coaches weren’t so stupid to force Tua to miss the extra week after the bye and we beat the colts easily with Tua.
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I hope and pray for Tuas health this year. That will be one more excuse removed.
 
bane said:
So you are telling me that one playoff apperance with Tannehill is better or the same as the two we had with Tua?
Also ,Tannehill with the dolphins only finished above 500 once during his tenure from 2012-2018. That was the playoff season. Tua teams have been over 500 every year except this last one.
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Let's be honest for a second, Tannehill didn't have half the team around him Tua had in 2022 and 2023.
 
MARINO1384 said:
They weren’t. They snuck in one year and were 6-10 the year before and year after.

That’s not the same as making it back to back in 2022 and 2023. Got unlucky in 2020 being 10-6 the same record tannehill snuck in as just was one of the few in nfl history where a 10 win team didn’t make it. I imagine they make it this year if Tua doesn’t get injured hell they make it even with the injury if our coaches weren’t so stupid to force Tua to miss the extra week after the bye and we beat the colts easily with Tua.
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bane said:
So you are telling me that one playoff apperance with Tannehill is better or the same as the two we had with Tua?
Also ,Tannehill with the dolphins only finished above 500 once during his tenure from 2012-2018. That was the playoff season. Tua teams have been over 500 every year except this last one.
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Hence why I just said just about. It’s not like this a some grand improvement we were also dealing with the best QB ever that entire time. Idk to me this just seems like a remake of an old movie over and over. Maybe a Black Mirror episode
 
MrChadRico said:
Let's be honest for a second, Tannehill didn't have half the team around him Tua had in 2022 and 2023.
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very good point. since people want to take it in this direction. the dolphins had the 4th most pro bowlers of any team in the nfl in 2023. and they faded badly, and could not beat anyone good down the stretch. and even lost to the titans. tua might not be part of the problem, but he is not part of the solution either. in fact, with his salary i think he is now part of the problem because too much of the payroll goes to him, the roster has become badly deficient in other areas because we keep having to let other people go, and tua is not good enough to cover for those deficiencies. i keep hearing tua needs this this and that around him. that is not realistic. when you pay the QB that much money, the point is the QB is meant to make everyone around him better and cover for those deficiencies. otherwise, there is no reason to pay the QB that kind of money. so tua being here now makes us worse. it makes us especially worse when he gets that kind of money and can't stay on the field.
 
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