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Think Goodell Sucks? Too Harsh? QBs with Skirts?

JCane said:
THIS right here is why he has done what he has done since taking over for Tagliabue.. Understand that Roger Goodell is not a bad guy. He's not out to "pussify the league."

He was protecting the product that all of you love so much and enjoy watching in the fall.

Without the rule changes and the recent suspensions to Saints players and coaches, the future of NFL could have been in SERIOUS trouble.

Now, at least Goodell and his lawyers can point to rule changes and the suspensions as a way of protecting the players the best that they could.

You guys should be PRAISING Roger Goodell for all that he has done.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/over-100-former-players-file-lawsuit-against-league-050312
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If Goodell and the NFL higher ups actually cared about player safety then they wouldn't be pushing for a LONGER season, they'd be pushing for a SHORTER one if anything. More importantly, as you yourself mentioned earlier, the perceived notion that some QBs and some players are more worth protecting makes your entire pro Goodell argument moot. If some scrub WR gets layed out over the middle by a head hunting safety and, God forbid, breaks his neck or dies, is that going to bring the NFL any less negative press than if it happens to Peyton Manning?... Well, probably actually, but that doesn't make it right.
My real point is that Goodell doesn't do anything in the interest of player protection or safety, he makes decisions in the interest of appeasing an uninformed media and a mentally retarded American public to protect the NFL's revenue stream. To be specific, think about the Seau situation. The guy was a LINEBACKER, one of the positions viewed by the media and the public as the "bad guys" and the position that is most villified by the league office. There aren't any new rules in place to protect linebackers, the guys that play now at that position are every bit as likely to suffer head trauma as Seau was. Actually, they're more likely to suffer injury because when you have to play scared, knowing that you could get flagged for putting your hand in the wrong spot at any time, you're more likely to get hurt because your playing tentative.
At the end of the day, these rules may be a somewhat effective marketing ploy, but anybody with a brain can reckognize the ineffectiveness and stupidity therein.
 
JCane said:
Why are concussions in the NFL down since Goodell took over?
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First of all, the only information you have on that subject is the information that the NFL chooses to release to the public. I'm sure there are plenty of concussions that the NFL simply chose not to report to the media to support the idea that Goodell's rules are working.
Secondly, I'd really like to see position by position where concussions are supposedly down. Remember Kris Dielman? There have not been any rules implemented by Goodell that protect offensive linemen, or front 7 defensive player. Again, it goes back to the idea that players at certain positions are worth protecting and other position players are viewed as the aggressors. It's total garbage, WRs have been getting away with blindside blocking defensive backs for years and years and nobody says boo about it. ****, Hines Ward broke Keith Rivers' jaw on a cheap shot block in 2008, is anybody screaming at the top of their lungs about receivers blocking in a dirty way? Not a chance.
Some positions are villifed, and others are viewed as the victims, and it's completely wrong.
 
Ah. I see where this is going. The NFL just makes things up to make themselves look better.

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The NFL is not nearly as concerned with a WR crack back blocking a defensive player as they are concerned with head shots. How many times have we heard old school players talk about getting their bell rung and not remembering the rest of the game? And our reaction was to laugh and marvel at that. Not any more and Goodell knows he has to limit the problem. Even if Tagliabue was still the commish you would see these changes taking place because not only is the NFL wanting safer conditions, so does the NFLPA.

The league, players, media, and fans are far more wiser to the damage concussions inflict and are attempting to minimize them. Economics dictate they do or there won't be an NFL in the future.
 
Goodell overall has done a great job, I have a few issues w/ him such as too many primetime games , the end of late season sat afternoon games ans the pushed back times of playoff games but other than that he's done a phenomenal job as commissioner.
 
so... Jcane brings up the point that Roger is doing his best to preserve the game while making it safer, and the response is... well brady gets the refs to throw flags the league is covering stuff up. You know if the league was going to "cover something up" they would've started with covering up the NE camera fiasco, and continued with covering up the Saints headhuntergate.
 
When former players are suing the **** out of the league from concussions, he has no option but to create rules to protect players. It's going to continue as long as players are suing the league...
 
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nosleep said:
When former players are suing the sh*t out of the league from concussions, he has no option but to create rules to protect players. It's going to continue as long as players are suing the league...
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He was doing this prior to players suing. The only reason that there's an avalanche of players suing currently is because of what happened in New Orleans. Lawyers feel they may have a case now that they've learned that the NFL knew of this and just told them to stop.

This is why the punishments for the Saints have been so severe. Goodwill has vision. He seen this coming. Now he's protecting his ass with harsh suspensions so that when the day comes, he can then have something to point to thy says he is doing all that he can.

Hes not the bad guy that so many make him out to be. He's protecting the NFL yet some people seem to have a problem with that.
 
RidinSurtains said:
First of all, the only information you have on that subject is the information that the NFL chooses to release to the public. I'm sure there are plenty of concussions that the NFL simply chose not to report to the media to support the idea that Goodell's rules are working.
Secondly, I'd really like to see position by position where concussions are supposedly down. Remember Kris Dielman? There have not been any rules implemented by Goodell that protect offensive linemen, or front 7 defensive player. Again, it goes back to the idea that players at certain positions are worth protecting and other position players are viewed as the aggressors. It's total garbage, WRs have been getting away with blindside blocking defensive backs for years and years and nobody says boo about it. ****, Hines Ward broke Keith Rivers' jaw on a cheap shot block in 2008, is anybody screaming at the top of their lungs about receivers blocking in a dirty way? Not a chance.
Some positions are villifed, and others are viewed as the victims, and it's completely wrong.
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The NFL using Black Helicopters now?
 
JCane said:
THIS right here is why he has done what he has done since taking over for Tagliabue.. Understand that Roger Goodell is not a bad guy. He's not out to "pussify the league."

He was protecting the product that all of you love so much and enjoy watching in the fall.

Without the rule changes and the recent suspensions to Saints players and coaches, the future of NFL could have been in SERIOUS trouble.

Now, at least Goodell and his lawyers can point to rule changes and the suspensions as a way of protecting the players the best that they could.

You guys should be PRAISING Roger Goodell for all that he has done.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/over-100-former-players-file-lawsuit-against-league-050312
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I would praise Goodell if it wasn't for this statement he made last year.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page...10719_virginia_tech_helmet_study&sportCat=nfl
In a recent conference call with Pittsburgh Steelers season-ticket holders, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell was asked why the league does not mandate the helmets that its own research shows are best. His reply was remarkably similar: "The fact of the matter is that several players who have been playing with a specific helmet since college years or even high school years and have not had any issues may feel very comfortable in their helmet, and if we tell them they have to wear a different helmet, that creates liability and other issues."
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Wildbill3 said:
um I don't see you point. please clarify.
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The rules being made are more about litigation and not all about player safety as Roger Goodell has contended.

Technololgy has made helmets and other equipment better and yet the NFL doesn't mandate them.

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The belief that trying to act regarding helmet safety would only create liability for the NFL seems deeply seated in the league's thinking. Many league and club officials appear to believe that liability law says: As long as you wash your hands, you're not responsible; but if you give advice and then something happens, you're liable. This may be an inaccurate reading of tort law. Most liability is based on a concept called "asymmetrical information." This doctrine holds that if you know about a danger and don't disclose that information, you may be liable for harm; but if you disclose everything, you're not likely to be liable. So if the NFL said, "You must wear one of the highest rated helmets because we reasonably believe this will reduce overall harm to players, but beware you are still in danger of getting a concussion," chances are the league would be in a strong position in any future tort case. But there's no guarantee -- juries can be unpredictable.

Lawyers try to steer their clients away from legal complications, and it appears the league's lawyers have told the NFL not to mandate helmets, in order to minimize legal risk. The result? More concussions for players, but less potential liability exposure for NFL owners and a bad example set for the 1 million boys who play high school football. Honk if you think that's pretty cynical.
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RidinSurtains said:
If Goodell and the NFL higher ups actually cared about player safety then they wouldn't be pushing for a LONGER season, they'd be pushing for a SHORTER one if anything. More importantly, as you yourself mentioned earlier, the perceived notion that some QBs and some players are more worth protecting makes your entire pro Goodell argument moot. If some scrub WR gets layed out over the middle by a head hunting safety and, God forbid, breaks his neck or dies, is that going to bring the NFL any less negative press than if it happens to Peyton Manning?... Well, probably actually, but that doesn't make it right.

My real point is that Goodell doesn't do anything in the interest of player protection or safety, he makes decisions in the interest of appeasing an uninformed media and a mentally retarded American public to protect the NFL's revenue stream. To be specific, think about the Seau situation. The guy was a LINEBACKER, one of the positions viewed by the media and the public as the "bad guys" and the position that is most villified by the league office.

There aren't any new rules in place to protect linebackers, the guys that play now at that position are every bit as likely to suffer head trauma as Seau was. Actually, they're more likely to suffer injury because when you have to play scared, knowing that you could get flagged for putting your hand in the wrong spot at any time, you're more likely to get hurt because your playing tentative. Totally wrong. The nfl has taken steps to prevent player injury specifically in regards to head injuries/concussions. The baseline testing now in place is there to propect all players regardless of position. To assert that there arent any new rules in place to protect players is absurd. In addition to the baseline testing implemented last year, this offseason the NFL expanded the rules governing the defenseless player in re crackback blocks, extending the rule to cover all of the defense. The new rule states: Expanding the defenseless player rule to protect defensive players on crackback blocks, making it illegal to hit them in the head or neck area. So explain to me how the NFL isnt doing anything.

At the end of the day, these rules may be a somewhat effective marketing ploy, but anybody with a brain can reckognize the ineffectiveness and stupidity therein.
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Comments in color. Your whole argument is garbage.
 
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