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Think Goodell Sucks? Too Harsh? QBs with Skirts?

RidinSurtains said:
What's in the rulebook and what gets called on Sundays are two drastically different things.
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The problem with what you have said is simply this: You are basing your posts on what you think you know, not on what you actually know. There is a big difference.
 
So the NFL is doing nothing to promote player safety and improve the overall product? Is that what's going on here?

Percentage of concussions, fabricated or not, are not diminishing and improving the overall life of the game?

Players want player safety yet they're holding locker room bounty programs and complaining about dirty hits.

It's only a dirty hit if it hits your pocket. But where's the flag when the defense knocks your QB into next week.
 
Geforce said:
The rules being made are more about litigation and not all about player safety as Roger Goodell has contended.

Technololgy has made helmets and other equipment better and yet the NFL doesn't mandate them.

from the article posted.
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Yet the NFL took no action, saying that what helmet model a player chose was up to him. When, in 2006, I asked NFL spokesperson Greg Aiello why the league wouldn't issue safety standards for helmets, he replied that the NFL was waiting for NOCSAE to make a recommendation. The wait continues -- five years later, NOCSAE still hasn't said anything.
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on this page it seems they are still in the research phase... http://www.nocsae.org/

so should the nfl go ahead and make recommendations when the NOCSAE who's sole responsibility is to make rulings on equipment and player safety hasn't ruled one way or the other on any helmets? what if the nfl made a ruling/recommendation then the NOCSAE said the opposite making the NFL even more liable? That would make the nfl seem pretty irresponsible too. seems to me the nfl is often in a no win scenerio when it comes to this.
 
Further more from that same article...

NOCSAE has sponsored studies of football concussions, but never come to any conclusion regarding helmets. The organization is very unhappy about the Virginia Tech study, which is widely perceived as bringing into the light information that NOCSAE has dragged its feet on. Here, NOCSAE takes a shot at Virginia Tech, saying "we caution against" its star rankings, then adding "NOCSAE urges parents of athletes and athletes to get all the facts about football helmets and concussion protection." How to get the facts? According to NOCSAE, the way to do that is to read "hang tags that come with all new football helmets that address the helmet's abilities and limitations."
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Perhaps the problem isn't with the nfl it's with this ****y organization named NOCSAE.
 
JCane said:
Bill hitting more home runs than Albert Pujols right now.

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How. Why. Explain.
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You must've thought A.) bill doesn't know baseball, and or B.) bill ain't gonna look up Albert Pujols. Well I don't, so I did, and you're close to getting pinked.
 
JCane said:
So the NFL is doing nothing to promote player safety and improve the overall product? Is that what's going on here?

Percentage of concussions, fabricated or not, are not diminishing and improving the overall life of the game?

Players want player safety yet they're holding locker room bounty programs and complaining about dirty hits.

It's only a dirty hit if it hits your pocket. But where's the flag when the defense knocks your QB into next week.
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The players aren't holding locker room bounty programs, one piece of **** defensive coordinator was, the players naturally followed the leader. More importantly, I'm not here condoning helmet to helmet hits and head hunting, but when your team is on defense for 3rd and long and the opposition gets a free first down because a defender TOUCHED the quarterback in the helmet, the game gets ****ing ruined. Irrefutably ****ing ruined.

So to answer your question, I don't think these rules are improving the product or protecting the shield at all. I think they are ruining huge aspects of the game (like actually playing defense) and only protecting certain players.
 
If player safety was really the key issue, Goodell would not have pushed (and though he stopped, continues to plan for) an 18 game season. Goodell has said many times that one of the chief goals of a safer game is to convince the players union that an extended season was viable. So, okay, perhaps you can make individual games more safe. But hey, here's two more of them.

And I'm no legal expert, but I honestly find it hard to believe the NFL would be held severely liable in these lawsuits. The research into the negative effects of concussions is very new, and the NFL is hardly alone in being a game that subjects it's players to a high risk of concussions. The only way it seems to me the league would be liable is if they knew how dangerous the concussions were and either covered it up or did nothing about it. How can that be the case if the research is so new? And how would an NFL lawyer fail to point to a long history of "punch drunk" ex boxers who tremble and drool on themselves as a way to argue that a generalized risk from concussions was already well known?

I continue to believe that the 18 game season remains the chief reason for pursuing a safer game. Until Goodell comes out and says it's dead, I won't be convinced otherwise. The lawsuit issue to me reads like a tangible but still secondary benefit.
 
RidinSurtains said:
The players aren't holding locker room bounty programs, one piece of **** defensive coordinator was, the players naturally followed the leader. More importantly, I'm not here condoning helmet to helmet hits and head hunting, but when your team is on defense for 3rd and long and the opposition gets a free first down because a defender TOUCHED the quarterback in the helmet, the game gets ****ing ruined. Irrefutably ****ing ruined.

So to answer your question, I don't think these rules are improving the product or protecting the shield at all. I think they are ruining huge aspects of the game (like actually playing defense) and only protecting certain players.
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"following" the leader doesn't absolve those players of thier deeds. It doesn't work in the military "duh I was only following orders" and it shouldn't work in the civilian sector.
 
TheWalrus said:
If player safety was really the key issue, Goodell would not have pushed (and though he stopped, continues to plan for) an 18 game season. Goodell has said many times that one of the chief goals of a safer game is to convince the players union that an extended season was viable. So, okay, perhaps you can make individual games more safe. But hey, here's two more of them.

And I'm no legal expert, but I honestly find it hard to believe the NFL would be held severely liable in these lawsuits. The research into the negative effects of concussions is very new, and the NFL is hardly alone in being a game that subjects it's players to a high risk of concussions. The only way it seems to me the league would be liable is if they knew how dangerous the concussions were and either covered it up or did nothing about it. How can that be the case if the research is so new? And how would an NFL lawyer fail to point to a long history of "punch drunk" ex boxers who tremble and drool on themselves as a way to argue that a generalized risk from concussions was already well known?

I continue to believe that the 18 game season remains the chief reason for pursuing a safer game. Until Goodell comes out and says it's dead, I won't be convinced otherwise. The lawsuit issue to me reads like a tangible but still secondary benefit.
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In a world where person a can throw away a lottery ticket, and person b pulls the ticket out of the trash, person a.) finds out and then a court tells person b.) they aren't going to get the money and that person a.) even tho they threw away the ticket, person a.) still get the ticket, oh mcdonalds being sued over hot coffee ... yeah right the nfl can be sued and probably lose.

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and I don't like the idea of an 18 game season for the record.
 
No one cares about defense anyway. Unless it's your team playing defense, people don't care about defense. People like big time offenses. 18 of the top 25 jerseys being sold right now...offensive players. Been that way for a long time. People want offense. If your team has a great defense, then GREAT. No one wants to see 9-6 football games. High scoring equals high ratings.

The 18 game schedule might be the primary agenda in the Lo g run, but no one is signing off on that until you prove that you've improved player safety in the league. The NFL is a far better product today than it ever has been. Ratings are better and better every year because the product has gotten better.

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And Bill, that home run comment was a compliment lol.
 
JCane said:
No one cares about defense anyway. Unless it's your team playing defense, people don't care about defense. People like big time offenses. 18 of the top 25 jerseys being sold right now...offensive players. Been that way for a long time. People want offense. If your team has a great defense, then GREAT. No one wants to see 9-6 football games. High scoring equals high ratings.

The 18 game schedule might be the primary agenda in the Lo g run, but no one is signing off on that until you prove that you've improved player safety in the league. The NFL is a far better product today than it ever has been. Ratings are better and better every year because the product has gotten better.

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And Bill, that home run comment was a compliment lol.
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according to his stats this year it wasn't lol.
 
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