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Think Goodell Sucks? Too Harsh? QBs with Skirts?

so... Jcane brings up the point that Roger is doing his best to preserve the game while making it safer, and the response is... well brady gets the refs to throw flags the league is covering stuff up. You know if the league was going to "cover something up" they would've started with covering up the NE camera fiasco, and continued with covering up the Saints headhuntergate.

I was saying that my main issue with the protection of QBs is that the league views some QBs as being more worthy of protection than others. If you're going to put rules like that in place, they should be applied uniformly or not at all.
 
I was saying that my main issue with the protection of QBs is that the league views some QBs as being more worthy of protection than others. If you're going to put rules like that in place, they should be applied uniformly or not at all.
I agree everyone should be protected equally. that being said, if everyone who had the football stood around for 3-5 seconds before either running or throwing it away it would be a fair comparison. However last I checked a QB is the only player who semi stays in one place during a play with the ball.
 
I believe Surtain and Walrus are dead on here an I agree with them. People DO care about defense, but it's typically more of the football purists and those that actually appreciate the game itself and what all it entails. Fans of football, whether it's in my case... professional, college, high school, or Junior Varsity, we come from an era where football is indeed 3 phases... offense, defense, and special teams.

The NFL's insane popularity nowdays generates it's tremendous revenue through various streams and outlets. However, this insane popularity has in turn watered down fanbases. The NFL's popularity reaches a demographic now that doesn't actually understand the game itself. It's all fantasy football driven. NFL fans in general have become for the most part jock sniffers who only want to see skill position players put up huge "fantasy" stats and run out and buy their jersey.

You can't even have a football discussion anymore that isn't centered around statistics unless you're talking to a coach or scout.



Furthermore, you see the extent to which the NFL has watered down it's increased fanbase by trying to appeal to fans on different continents and playing games in Europe. This is where you get into an entirely different dynamic between college fanbases and NFL fanbases. Die hard fans of college football are typically from a little bit older generation, obviously disregarding the current student body and recent alumni that pack college football stadiums every Saturday in the Fall. College football doesn't attempt to appeal to a foreign demographic.... but only it's local fanbases who for the most part, appreciate the game of football itself.


The NFL's attempts at improving player safety has more to do with being more marketable and protecting itself from lawsuits than it actually does about player safety. The inconsistency and selective way they choose to enforce it for the higher profile, and more marketable players that have already been pointed out in this thread are proof of that. The NFL is basically trying to eliminate defense all together for the sake of high scoring shootouts that make it more marketable to the watered down fanbases it's trying to draw in. Fantasy football.

Receivers aren't afraid to go over the middle anymore. A stern look at a $50 million quarterback draws a flag. The NFL had one quarterback in it's history pass for 5,000 yards, now it's the new bench mark for a pro-bowl season. Bill Polian had the rules changed to help Peyton Manning in the playoffs after Ty Law mugged his receivers and picked him off 3 times in a playoff game. That's when the back-to-back-to-back assaults on the league's single season record for TD passes also began.

That flag football game called the pro-bowl that the NFL finally just decided to do away with? That's exactly the type of football you're going to see every Sunday with the way it's headed.


Go watch the beating Tyler Wilson took last September against Alabama. That would never happen in the NFL. A game like that would draw a dozen flags in the NFL. College football allows defense to still be part of the game, because as I mentioned previously, it's still for the football purists who appreciate that defense is still one-third of the game. It's why the high flying gimmick offenses who run up 50 points on their conference opponents every week get shut down every time they face an SEC defense.... the same way elite defenses in the NFL typically always won out against elite offenses.

If player safety is the commissioner's goal, an 18 game schedule is entirely non-sensical.

The NFL has indeed made itself more popular and more marketable, and richer than it's ever been. However, don't mistake that for improving the quality of the product on the field. It's just the opposite.
 
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I believe Surtain and Walrus are dead on here an I agree with them. People DO care about defense, but it's typically more of the football purists and those that actually appreciate the game itself and what all it entails. Fans of football, whether it's in my case... professional, college, high school, or Junior Varsity, we come from an era where football is indeed 3 phases... offense, defense, and special teams.

The NFL's insane popularity nowdays generates it's tremendous revenue through various streams and outlets. However, this insane popularity has in turn watered down fanbases. The NFL's popularity reaches a demographic now that doesn't actually understand the game itself. It's all fantasy football driven. NFL fans in general have become for the most part jock sniffers who only want to see skill position players put up huge "fantasy" stats and run out and buy their jersey.

You can't even have a football discussion anymore that isn't centered around statistics unless you're talking to a coach or scout.



Furthermore, you see the extent to which the NFL has watered down it's increased fanbase by trying to appeal to fans on different continents and playing games in Europe. This is where you get into an entirely different dynamic between college fanbases and NFL fanbases. Die hard fans of college football are typically from a little bit older generation, obviously disregarding the current student body and recent alumni that pack college football stadiums every Saturday in the Fall. College football doesn't attempt to appeal to a foreign demographic.... but only it's local fanbases who for the most part, appreciate the game of football itself.


The NFL's attempts at improving player safety has more to do with being more marketable and protecting itself from lawsuits than it actually does about player safety. The inconsistency and selective way they choose to enforce it for the higher profile, and more marketable players that have already been pointed out in this thread are proof of that. The NFL is basically trying to eliminate defense all together for the sake of high scoring shootouts that make it more marketable to the watered down fanbases it's trying to draw in. Fantasy football.

Receivers aren't afraid to go over the middle anymore. A stern look at a $50 million quarterback draws a flag. The NFL had one quarterback in it's history pass for 5,000 yards, now it's the new bench mark for a pro-bowl season. Bill Polian had the rules changed to help Peyton Manning in the playoffs after Ty Law mugged his receivers and picked him off 3 times in a playoff game. That's when the back-to-back-to-back assaults on the league's single season record for TD passes also began.

That flag football game called the pro-bowl that the NFL finally just decided to do away with? That's exactly the type of football you're going to see every Sunday with the way it's headed.


Go watch the beating Tyler Wilson took last September against Alabama. That would never happen in the NFL. A game like that would draw a dozen flags in the NFL. College football allows defense to still be part of the game, because as I mentioned previously, it's still for the football purists who appreciate that defense is still one-third of the game. It's why the high flying gimmick offenses who run up 50 points on their conference opponents every week get shut down every time they face an SEC defense.... the same way elite defenses in the NFL typically always won out against elite offenses.

If player safety is the commissioner's goal, an 18 game schedule is entirely non-sensical.

The NFL has indeed made itself more popular and more marketable, and richer than it's ever been. However, don't mistake that for improving the quality of the product on the field. It's just the opposite.


that is the biggest point of contention. no one is arguing that goodell isnt doing a great job at progressing the game from a business standpoint. there is no way to possibly dispute that. and understanding that football is a business and the end game is to make money, hes succeeding. But from the old school fan of football, the game that we know and love is not only changing and evolving, but being degraded into a worse football product
 
that is the biggest point of contention. no one is arguing that goodell isnt doing a great job at progressing the game from a business standpoint. there is no way to possibly dispute that. and understanding that football is a business and the end game is to make money, hes succeeding. But from the old school fan of football, the game that we know and love is not only changing and evolving, but being degraded into a worse football product
I'm sure the old Old school guys, teh ones who may or may not have worn leather helmets, probably thought the league was turning to **** with the introduction of the forward pass.
 
I'm sure the old Old school guys, teh ones who may or may not have worn leather helmets, probably thought the league was turning to **** with the introduction of the forward pass.

not the same thing.. we are on the fast track to the arena football league.
 
I'm sure the old Old school guys, teh ones who may or may not have worn leather helmets, probably thought the league was turning to **** with the introduction of the forward pass.


The league wouldn't have as many concussion issues if they still wore leather helmets. They'd stop using their helmet as a weapon.

The helmet to helmet hits that are knocking each other unconscious would cease.

I've attended several coaching clinics through the years where the subject of player safety was a topic. One of the main points that was always brought up was the fact that these players are coached from the age of 10 to use their helmet as a weapon in order to separate the ball from the ball carrier. The fundamentals of making a tackle fell by the wayside somewhere along the way.

The statistics for concussions in a Rugby Union where they don't even wear helmets compared to the NFL bears this out. The worst thing you had to worry about in the old days was being clotheslined, which the league outlawed. The spin-off of that was being coached to use your helmet as a weapon.

There's no way to eliminate concussions and brain trauma from the game of football, the same way you can't eliminate it from boxing by using Olympic style head gear.

Player safety starts with the players.... and it begins at the youth level by football coaches teaching the proper way to make a sound wrap up tackle.
 
THIS right here is why he has done what he has done since taking over for Tagliabue.. Understand that Roger Goodell is not a bad guy. He's not out to "pussify the league."

He was protecting the product that all of you love so much and enjoy watching in the fall.

Without the rule changes and the recent suspensions to Saints players and coaches, the future of NFL could have been in SERIOUS trouble.

Now, at least Goodell and his lawyers can point to rule changes and the suspensions as a way of protecting the players the best that they could.

You guys should be PRAISING Roger Goodell for all that he has done.

My opinion...the league is becoming pussified. They will be wearing flags before too long!
 
The league wouldn't have as many concussion issues if they still wore leather helmets. They'd stop using their helmet as a weapon.

The helmet to helmet hits that are knocking each other unconscious would cease.

I've attended several coaching clinics through the years where the subject of player safety was a topic. One of the main points that was always brought up was the fact that these players are coached from the age of 10 to use their helmet as a weapon in order to separate the ball from the ball carrier. The fundamentals of making a tackle fell by the wayside somewhere along the way.

The statistics for concussions in a Rugby Union where they don't even wear helmets compared to the NFL bears this out. The worst thing you had to worry about in the old days was being clotheslined, which the league outlawed. The spin-off of that was being coached to use your helmet as a weapon.

There's no way to eliminate concussions and brain trauma from the game of football, the same way you can't eliminate it from boxing by using Olympic style head gear.

Player safety starts with the players.... and it begins at the youth level by football coaches teaching the proper way to make a sound wrap up tackle.
hmmm get the players some mouth guards and take away the helmets lol.
 
It sad but NASCAR is the exact same way now. Regardless of whether you think it is a real sport or not, it is a victim. A victim of revenue and so is the NFL. It sacrifices the integrity of the sport for profit. Revenue defines the sport, the sport isn't pure anymore. Never will be again until the love of playing is separated from the money it generates.
 
It sad but NASCAR is the exact same way now. Regardless of whether you think it is a real sport or not, it is a victim. A victim of revenue and so is the NFL. It sacrifices the integrity of the sport for profit. Revenue defines the sport, the sport isn't pure anymore. Never will be again until the love of playing is separated from the money it generates.
I was going to mention nascar as being a sport that has been watered down for the sake of safety and revenue. No doubt the haans device has prevented another dale type of death, but at the same time, they've taken out the character of nascar, and the few drivers who try to have any type of character is quickly shot down, penalized, black flagged and suspended.
 
Goodell is the most disgusting commissioner of any major sport in my lifetime. He made the best sport unrecognizable, a parody of itself. The claim that the NFL is better than ever has to be the most bizarre sentence in the history of this website. I shudder to believe it was serious.

This is now a pantyhose passing league. Steve Young emphasizes that he doesn't even know how a safety is supposed to play the position anymore. The league recovers partially heading to the offseason only because the last item on the plate is the playoffs, which are more similar to old NFL than anything we see in September through December, with fewer ridiculous penalties and more competent defenses.

Goodell is so concerned about safety he dramatically increases the number of Thursday games, allowing massive bodies to take the field minus sufficient recovery. Halftimes were shortened several years ago not for player safely but to make sure the games didn't run too long, not to spill over into the next one to inconvenience the networks. No problem rushing guys back onto the field with barely any time to pee or change strategy, let alone rest. I hadn't planned to comment in this thread until the unbelievable "better than ever" claim, and the lack of any mention of Thursday expansion. Improved technology has been out there and unused for decades, in helmet design and a little known item called grass. The NFL commissioned a 10 year study which revealed that turf -- even field turf -- caused a significantly greater number of knee and ankle injuries. Mandate to switch? Nope. Not a chance. The turf guys have ponied up and are welcome to stay, just like Gatorade and other dubious products. If there's no outcry, keep it to yourself. Goodell cherishes the owners and their monetary power with a newfound knowledge he has to wrinkle his brow and express concern, to tap media sources for friendly spin that will raise stepladder spin. Hence, threads like this.

In terms of legal threat, there are 5 votes on the Supreme Court who will uphold any corporate interest over any assertion of individual distress.

These days I bet the NFL games based on situational and statistical systems but otherwise I don't care 25% as much as previously, and can't imagine attending a game. The college game has suffered to far lesser degree, as TedSlimm pointed out in his excellent post.
 
I was going to mention nascar as being a sport that has been watered down for the sake of safety and revenue. No doubt the haans device has prevented another dale type of death, but at the same time, they've taken out the character of nascar, and the few drivers who try to have any type of character is quickly shot down, penalized, black flagged and suspended.

Lol please. Nobody dies in football.
Obviously football is dangerous, but not nearly as dangerous as driving thru traffic up against a wall t 200 MPH.
 
Lol please. Nobody dies in football.
Obviously football is dangerous, but not nearly as dangerous as driving thru traffic up against a wall t 200 MPH.

I am sure the Minnesota Vikings and the family of Kory Stringer would disagree with you on that.

Something else to think about.
http://www.treehugger.com/health/fo...-15-years-as-us-warms-players-get-bigger.html
Between 1994 and 2009 roughly three high school and college football players per year died in practice. Considering that over a million high schoolers alone play football that may not see like an alarming figure (it really is a truly tiny percentage of all people participating). But it is triple the number of deaths compared to the previous 15 years.

As for why, researchers from the University of Georgia examined a database cataloging the temperature, humidity, time of day, height, weight, and field position of each of the 58 players who died from overheating. They found that in the eastern part of the US, where most of the deaths occurred, the heat index in the morning was consistently higher from 1994-2009 than for the preceding 15 years. More than half the players died when practiced ended before noon, with most of the deaths happening in August. Georgia alone had the most deaths of any single state, at roughly 10%.
 
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