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Think Goodell Sucks? Too Harsh? QBs with Skirts?

Wildbill3 said:
I'm sure the seau family would disagree.
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Im a stock broker. Plenty of stock brokers offed themselves during the meltdowns, and nobody blamed the money managing industry for that. Everybody knows the risks involved in their profession. Junior Seau may well have had severe depression and would have killed himself if he was an insurance salesman or a bus driver.

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Geforce said:
I am sure the Minnesota Vikings and the family of Kory Stringer would disagree with you on that.

Something else to think about.
http://www.treehugger.com/health/fo...-15-years-as-us-warms-players-get-bigger.html
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I know all about ****ing Kory Stringer you don't have to educate me, thanks tho. He didn't die while actually playing a game because of some helmet to helmet hit that Goodell is now preventing. He died practicing and he wasn't properly hydrated. Lets blame NASCAR if somebody dies of a heart attack while driving, right?
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RidinSurtains said:
Im a stock broker. Plenty of stock brokers offed themselves during the meltdowns, and nobody blamed the money managing industry for that. Everybody knows the risks involved in their profession. Junior Seau may well have had severe depression and would have killed himself if he was an insurance salesman or a bus driver.

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I know all about ****ing Kory Stringer you don't have to educate me, thanks tho. He didn't die while actually playing a game because of some helmet to helmet hit that Goodell is now preventing. He died practicing and he wasn't properly hydrated. Lets blame NASCAR if somebody dies of a heart attack while driving, right?
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It took me all of 10 seconds searching google to find this.

I guess you could say this kids' family disagrees with you.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/...y-sustained-during-game?urn=highschool,wp7202
 
TheWalrus said:
Sports are dangerous. I think we can all agree on that. What's your point? That story is utterly without context on the nature of the hit and how it happened.
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sorry, wasn't really trying to make a point per se so much as to prove someone else's point wrong. reread since our last exchange, you'll see the point someone else attempted to make about no one dying during a football game.
 
Every body gotta die of something, if I die doing something I love then please leave me alone and don't feel sorry for me. It would be better than cancer or sitting around with a ****ing adult diaper, sitting in my own **** waiting to not wake up from a nap.

If I die racing a snowmobile across a frozen lake, on a 4 wheeler or in a boat, then I died happy and it was a good death.
 
JCane said:
Because they are lol.

Whether people like to buy into it or not, the NFL is a business first and foremost. They need to protect their product and investments.

Not a lot of people tuned in for New England v. Indianapolis last season. Wonder why that is? If the NFL is going to cater to the offenses, then they can't afford to have their big draws at the most important spot on the field sitting on the bench for a full season because they took a hit to the head.

Tom Brady v. Peyton Manning makes a lot more money for the league than replacing Manning with Curtis Painter.
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And therein lies the problem, not just with the NFL, but with (capitalist) society as a whole.
 
These players had free rides in college to see if they liked something else as a career. They chose to run head first into eachother instead for hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars a year. Just retire at thirty and make your money work for you the rest of your life. If you choose to play on and get seriously hurt then oh well. People act like there is no reward for these risks when in reality they far outweigh them. Players call themselves warriors and gladiators yet expect pity and support when they get hurt. The old school guys absolutely have a case for a suit but it wont ruin the league. It'll just keep on going, and we'll be shocked at how many injuries occur when men that size hit eachother at those speeds. The only way I can see a true reduction in injuries is if they start forcing players to retire earlier and increase roster sizes so there are more players that can be dubbed in and help players take fewer snaps on the field each.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Goodell is the most disgusting commissioner of any major sport in my lifetime. He made the best sport unrecognizable, a parody of itself. The claim that the NFL is better than ever has to be the most bizarre sentence in the history of this website. I shudder to believe it was serious.
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The NFL is better than ever when you consider from the business standpoint that the thread was intended for.

From only the perspective as a sport, it is not. I understand that defenses have been scaled back tremendously and that the game has forever changed as a result. Personally, I care about defense more than offense. I'll take a 9-6 rematch of Alabama v. LSU than the Michigan v. Ohio State shootout from a few years ago that could have been a rematch for a title. I prefer 1-0 games in baseball as well. This is all the view of the football purist. But most people are casual fans. They don't get into the strategy that is the game of football...the game within the game. They need action like in Hollywood. That's enough to keep them interested. So the need for big time offenses with strong passing attacks is there. You make a dollar, you want to make another dollar. If the NFL wasn't better than it ever has been, then the ratings wouldn't be where they are today.

If the NFL pandered to the purist moreso than the casual fan, the sport would fold. There wouldn't be enough revenue to keep the head above water. Goodell may want the 18 game schedule, and to do so he has to improve player safety and he's helped do that. If concussion are down around the league, how can we not at least give the man some praise? Lawsuits are here today. And now at least Goodell and the NFL have a leg to stand on and protect the future of the league.
 
I actually don't mind Goodell at all. Sure he probably shouldn't make every decision on his own or so harsh, but he has improved a lot of things in the league.
 
Just a couple things, some mentioned some not.

It was said that the ex-players are sueing in large part because of the bounty situation. That is completely not true. They have been talking about old players sueing for years. Sure the bounty thing fueled the fire but the lawsuits were already going to happen. Goodell came down so hard on them because it would help their causes with the lawsuit, even though he had very little actual proof of the players doing anything wrong. I also think it had alot to do with the Saints winning the "Who Dat" situation with the NFL. Goodell got beat and lost money. Goodell does everything with money, and only money, in mind. And favoring certain teams/players helps the NFL make money, at least he thinks it does. I would argue that keeping it fair and allowing players to actually play football would make more money. Allowing smaller market teams to truely get the same calls and benefits that his sweetheart organizations get would boost fans and their loyatly more than all these upset fans. No I'm not suggesting that the whole NFL is fixed.

Yes, alot of fans enjoy good defense. And if it wasn't so villianized even more fans, and the casual fans, would too. I tried watching Arena league, but it just doesn't appeal to me because of the complete lack of defensive action.

Prolonging the life of the product is great, unless you change the product. Football of course can, will, and has to evolve some through the years. You can't expect it to stay completely the same with no rule changes. But the way Goodell goes about it is just wrong. He punishes teams/players for not being truthfull with him, but then he masks his BS decisions as being for safety or competitive fairness when they are 99% about money. I'm not expecting him to say, "I'm doing this for profits." but don't waltz around protecting your friends, punishing people/teams for vague and BS new rules and act like he's genuinely concerned about player safety and fairness. He's not.

So yeah, I don't care for Goodell. He's done some good with the off the field issues. And while I don't agree with alot of the punishment he gave out to guys, overall it has been an improvement. I believe in capitalism and I believe when you have a business you should be able to hire/fire any employee at any time for any unprotected reason. Or no reason at all. I realize that doesnt' 100% apply to the NFL because of the union and the complexity of the 32 owners, etc. So I don't think that players/coaches/organizations are above being punished. I just dont' like the arbitrary way he goes about it.

As for the lawsuit, I think the players have an uphill battle as far as 'winning' any significant 'award' for playing an obviously rough sport. Why are they not sueing their colleges and high schools? There's alot of healthy retired players. Unless the NFL truely was hiding some significant info, the 'award' will be minimal. It would be ironic if the NFL was hiding some information, meanwhile Goodell always sites a person's honesty with him as being paramount.
 
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