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Ok...let me start this off by saying Jason Taylor and Zach thomas are amazing, i love these guys they literally are the best in their positions. JT SHOULD BE PLAYER OF THE YEAR@ i love them,

However, do you think saban will trade either one of them to a serious contender next year for a first and maybe a 2nd or 3rd? I thought about it for a little while and jason taylor is 33 years old (i know hes playing the best of his career) and zach is over 30 as well. Tops, they have 3 years left each. Realistically, thinking long term our team would be better off picking up earlier picks. so we can get more playmakers on the team that are younger so we're not screwed when they retire.
if they retired after this year, channing crowder and yeremiah bell would lead this defense with mediocre players at cb and the other linebacker positions. OUr defense is sick today because of these 2 guys, and im just a little worried looking at the future without them.

what would you guys do....would you trade JT for a first and second?? or would you keep him have a couple more amazing years out of him and then just be left with nothing...?

it's tough..i really don't know what I would do and just wanted to see if any of you had thought about the same thing.
 

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you can't trade taylor and thomas because they are still the 2 most productive players on the team and it would count too much against the salary cap..
 

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No team would realistically give up a high enough pick to make it even remotely worth considering, anyway.
 

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Considering we picked JT in the 3rd round, and ZT in the 5th round, is there any reason we can't draft guys to eventually take their place?
 

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It's sad to think about, but it really comes down to if you belive this team needs to go through a rebuilding period or not. If we're rebuilding, and there's strong arguments to make the case that we need to, then yeah we probably should trade them. You sacrafice the immediate future to be strong a few years down the road. It sucks, but there's the reality of it.
 

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Semedi said:
It's sad to think about, but it really comes down to if you belive this team needs to go through a rebuilding period or not. If we're rebuilding, and there's strong arguments to make the case that we need to, then yeah we probably should trade them. You sacrafice the immediate future to be strong a few years down the road. It sucks, but there's the reality of it.
Sorry, but wrong. "Rebuilding" does not mean to get rid of your proven veterans just because they've gotten old. If they still produce, they have not gotten expendable yet.
"Rebuilding" means: having a core of key players (on both sides of the ball) and adding LOTS of young players who watch and learn in the first way. Once your veterans get really old (note: REALLY old), they lose a step and the young guys outplay them, that's the moment when they've gotten expendable. Now would be the time to think if anyone is willing to give up anything for them. If not, fine: they'll end their careers as Miami Dolphins.

Having said that: I don't see Jason Taylor or Zach Thomas losing a step next year or being outplayed by anyone else on the roster. And I don't see too many young players either who are currently with the team that would make me comfortable in case Saban dumps Taylor and/or Thomas. They might not be the future but they will have an impact on the future, that's for sure.
 

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NO WAY any thought of lettign either of these pkayers go is just foolish and absolutely ludacris. we cannot and must not let zach or JT go by trade or release that would gut our team.
 

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InSabanWeTrust1 said:
Ok...let me start this off by saying Jason Taylor and Zach thomas are amazing, i love these guys they literally are the best in their positions. JT SHOULD BE PLAYER OF THE YEAR@ i love them,

However, do you think saban will trade either one of them to a serious contender next year for a first and maybe a 2nd or 3rd? I thought about it for a little while and jason taylor is 33 years old (i know hes playing the best of his career) and zach is over 30 as well. Tops, they have 3 years left each. Realistically, thinking long term our team would be better off picking up earlier picks. so we can get more playmakers on the team that are younger so we're not screwed when they retire.
if they retired after this year, channing crowder and yeremiah bell would lead this defense with mediocre players at cb and the other linebacker positions. OUr defense is sick today because of these 2 guys, and im just a little worried looking at the future without them.

what would you guys do....would you trade JT for a first and second?? or would you keep him have a couple more amazing years out of him and then just be left with nothing...?

it's tough..i really don't know what I would do and just wanted to see if any of you had thought about the same thing.

Okay, let me gets this straight. You want to trade the ONE true playmaker we have on defense in Jason Taylor. :shakeno: Zach is still highly productive and if we do bring in someone to eventually replace him in a couple of years, who better to learn the nuances of the game from.

You said you are a little looking at the future without them, then why trade them away before they are ready to retire?
 

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Considering we picked JT in the 3rd round, and ZT in the 5th round, is there any reason we can't draft guys to eventually take their place?

Yes, there is a reason. Look at whom we drafted after 1997 in those rounds. Any 3rd or 5ht round pick who matches Taylor or Thomas?
98:
3rd: Brad Jackson LB
3rd: Larry Shannon WR
5th: Scott Shaw G

99:
3rd: Ruegamer C
5th: Cecil Collins RB
5th: Bryan Jones LB

00:
3rd: Ben Kelley DB
5th: Arturo Freeman S

01:
3rd: Travis Minor RB
3rd: Morlon Greenwood LB
5th: Shawn Draper G

02:
3rd: McKinney C

03:
3rd: Wade Smith OL
3rd: Taylor Whitley G
5th: Donald Lee TE
5th: J.R. Tolver WR

04:
5th: Tony Bua S

05:
3rd: Crowder LB
5th: Alabi OT

06:
3rd: hagan WR

Besides Crowder there is not a single player who has starting format. Heck, 70% are not even in the league anymore.
None of them is even close to JT or ZT. Those two picks were great but if drafting somebody like JT in the 3rd was easy, JT would not be special....
 

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Geforce said:
You said you are a little looking at the future without them, then why trade them away before they are ready to retire?

Because their salaries severely limit the money you can spend on FAs - especially with a team that desperately needs talent elsewhere. At one point, it's simply a question of whether or not their productivity justifies the huge cap hit it takes to keep them. While I agree that it would be rather stupid to trade Jason Taylor (because he's worth every penny and more), I am not so sure about Zach Thomas. Sure, he's got plenty of tackles, but truth to be said, he just isn't the dominating player he used to be. Good, but not spectacular. Problem is: He makes rather spectacular money. Acquiring a good MLB isn't exactly hard (or expensive) to do, and with the money you save, you could easily get a good FA for one of the several positions we are sorely lacking talent. To make a long story short: Trading (or cutting) Zach Thomas actually makes sense (in certain scenarios, that is). Trading Jason Taylor makes none.
 

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No way you trade away the heart and soul of this team, what are you nuts? They both deserve better than that.
 
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