Thinking outside of the box...

[NBP81]

• Every stopgap option at QB right now are below average at best and look to cost around 13M+
  
• This 13M is strickly a short term waste as any QB we sign doesnt hold any long term value
• The Fins roster is looking, at least on paper, to be the most talented they've fielded for a good decade
• The Fins, given their interest in Jay Cutler, look to be firmly in win now mode

While surely we have glaring holes around the roster, I don't think Matt Moore is the weakest link. I don't even think the offense overall, even minus Tannehill, is the weakest link on this team.

What if instead of spending resources to get a marginal upgrade at QB, we change our overall team philosophy. We have the pieces to run a ground and pound game with Jay Ajayi carrying the load, allowing Matt Moore to use the PA to his strenght at throwing deep.

Sure, you're going to tell me that we don't have the OL to pull it off, and too many missing pieces on D too. And I agree. BUT... The team already seems to have allocated a budget for saving the season. Yes!, I'm speculating, but for the sake of argument, if the bar for saving the season is 13M in cap space, there surely is an equivalent in draft picks compensation.

Here's the thing, I don't think using that budget on a QB is the right play here... We would be much better off using those resources to solidify other areas of weakness. Guard an DT come to mind, as solidifying the trenches would allow the Fins to control the game much more smoothly. And whether we are talking about cap space or draft picks, I'm confident we could get a much better return on investment on 2 upgrades in positions outside of QB than 1 marginal upgrade at QB. AND those players arent necessarily gone next year, they are still upgrades on our roster. As opposed to Any QB that we sign, or trade for in the upcoming weeks. None of them have any prospects to be in the starting role picture when Tannehill comes back.

Hell maybe I'm crazy too, but the Cutler and CK threads are depressing me and I feel there must be a better course of action... Any ideas?

 

[Fin Fan in Cali]

 

[Finman1022]

...And lots of them!!!!

 

[fishfanmiami]

Interesting idea NBP. I'm not thrilled with our QB options either. If we roll with Matt spending some of that money on a QUALITY lineman or two is certainly a good idea.
At this point of the year there aren't any available so it most likely would have to be a trade picking up a big contract some other team decides to cut loose before the season starts.

 

[NBP81]

It looks like the team is trying to upgrade on Matt Moore, and this is plain stupid and shortsighted. There are alot of ways to improve this roster long term, why waste resources on the one position you KNOW wont be filled by the aquisition one year from now...

I've seen the idea that if we sign Cutler, it means we wont be able to re-sign Landry next year. Then if thats the case, just make Landry available and listen to phone calls. I garentee you'll get better ROI than Jay ****ing Cutler or C****ingK...

Edit: And Im not saying we should trade Landry, Im just saying if they're stupid enough to lose Landry for a stop gap QB, there are better options out there...

 

[Fin Fan in Cali]

It looks like the team is trying to upgrade on Matt Moore, and this is plain stupid and shortsighted. There are alot of ways to improve this roster long term, why waste resources on the one position you KNOW wont be filled by the aquisition one year from now...

I've seen the idea that if we sign Cutler, it means we wont be able to re-sign Landry next year. Then if thats the case, just make Landry available and listen to phone calls. I garentee you'll get better ROI than Jay ****ing Cutler or C****ingK...

Good evening brother. I don't think Matt can complete the 16 game season with the success we are looking for. Who ever they decide I will support the team.

 

[NBP81]

Good evening brother. I don't think Matt can complete the 16 game season with the success we are looking for. Who ever they decide I will support the team.

Not if we run the offense as if Tannehill was still playing, but I'm pretty sure we are 1 solid G away from being able to rely heavily on the run game to manage on offense.

 

[Fin Fan in Cali]

Not if we run the offense as if Tannehill was still playing, but I'm pretty sure we are 1 solid G away from being able to rely heavily on the run game to manage on offense.

Those are some very big cleats to fill. We will see how they adapt and over come these two injuries to RT and Larsen.

 

[Sons Of Shula]

The problem with taking it in stride with Moore is he is careless with the football.

I addressed this in another thread and it fits here so I'll bear repeating myself and paste it here.

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First off, even though I have been advocating him, I don't think Kaep is a very good QB. But, in our current situation I feel as though he gives us the best shot at winning in comparison to the other two popular choices being discussed in Moore and Cutler.

For one is the example I already gave; ball security. The other, in conjunction with the first, is a possible run heavy scheme that will help keep our defense off the field b/c it is designed by scheme and personnel to rush the QB and disrupt the passing game. Neither of which or bound to happen due to the "built to play with a lead" philosophy which is only an efficient strategy when obviously you are ahead on the scoreboard.

Putting the defense in poor field position and back on the field in an untimely manner due to not being smart with the football - proven realities with both Moore and Cutler - ultimately hurts both units but especially in our case where the defense wasn't built to keep us in the game.

 

[Travis34]

AJ McCarron for a 3rd

 

[NBP81]

The problem with taking it in stride with Moore is he is careless with the football.

I addressed this in another thread and it fits here so I'll bear repeating myself and paste it here.

. . .

First off, even though I have been advocating him, I don't think Kaep is a very good QB. But, in our current situation I feel as though he gives us the best shot at winning in comparison to the other two popular choices being discussed in Moore and Cutler.

For one is the example I already gave; ball security. The other, in conjunction with the first, is a possible run heavy scheme that will help keep our defense off the field b/c it is designed by scheme and personnel to rush the QB and disrupt the passing game. Neither of which or bound to happen due to the "built to play with a lead" philosophy which is only an efficient strategy when obviously you are ahead on the scoreboard.

Putting the defense in poor field position and back on the field in an untimely manner due to not being smart with the football - proven realities with both Moore and Cutler - ultimately hurts both units but especially in our case where the defense wasn't built to keep us in the game.

How much of an upgrade is CK over Moore? And are there positions of weakness on the Fins that would be easier to upgrade, for cheaper, that would benefit the team more, long term?

 

[MD]

I hate wasting a season but I agree. But they'll need a vet back up and the pickings are slim. Moore goes down and this will get really ugly.

 

[NBP81]

I hate wasting a season but I agree. But they'll need a vet back up and the pickings are slim. Moore goes down and this will get really ugly.

And thats what I failed to mention in the op... Is things totally falling apart really a bad thing? As opposed to signing a one year stop gap QB for 15M and still go 8-8?

End game here could look like...
Losing Landry and a mediocre draft pic vs. Landry still on the team with a top 5 pick...

 

[dlockz]

How much of an upgrade is CK over Moore? And are there positions of weakness on the Fins that would be easier to upgrade, for cheaper, that would benefit the team more, long term?

a fairly substantial upgrade, the most important position on the field having moore in its place is pretty damn important

 

[MD]

And thats what I failed to mention in the op... Is things totally falling apart really a bad thing? As opposed to signing a one year stop gap QB for 15M and still go 8-8?

End game here could look like...
Losing Landry and a mediocre draft pic vs. Landry still on the team with a top 5 pick...

I want Landry back. If Moore stays healthy they wont get a top 5 pick though. It will be one of those 6-8 win season that puts them outside the top 10.