This is how close the top 9 players in the draft are rated

[DoLpHiNz34]

There is no way that the value of players in this draft from 1-7 changes as much as that value chart indicates.

Each player grades out fairly equal...so there is no way the first choice is worth 2600 points and the 7th is worth a 1000 points (or whatever the stupid chart says....)

In this draft, if the top pick is worth 2600 points then the 7th pick is worth at least 1900 points...

I agree with you completely.

Me too. Unless we were targeting Alex Smith, the scenarios that PhinPhreak has mentioned are completely acceptable. Our team, which is the only important one, comes out winning.

 

[fishypete]

Lets also admit...that a player taken with the 1st pick could have no value in a few years..because he was a bust....but the player taken with the 7th pick just happens to become an all pro...then what value did that chart really have? NONE.

 

[dolfan87]

I want to know where the value in picking a player at number two (who isn't graded out but 10 points higher than the 7th pick) is at?

Kieth you are so stuck on this value chart B.S. that you are missing the forest for the trees! The value comes when you move down, save money on the cap, AND pick up an additional 2nd round pick.

UNLESS there is a player that you have graded out MUCH higher (in this case I know you value a certain QB this way) then you get whatever you can! Otherwise you just hosed yourself by paying a player number two pick money (when he isn't worth that) and then getting nothing in return.

This isn't the typical draft class where two or three guys are just almost a lock to be studs. So in reality you are overpaying a player simply because you were to stubborn or to stupid to get your nose out of the damned chart.

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[KB21]

I want to know where the value in picking a player at number two (who isn't graded out but 10 points higher than the 7th pick) is at?

Kieth you are so stuck on this value chart B.S. that you are missing the forest for the trees! The value comes when you move down, save money on the cap, AND pick up an additional 2nd round pick.

UNLESS there is a player that you have graded out MUCH higher (in this case I know you value a certain QB this way) then you get whatever you can! Otherwise you just hosed yourself by paying a player number two pick money (when he isn't worth that) and then getting nothing in return.

This isn't the typical draft class where two or three guys are just almost a lock to be studs. So in reality you are overpaying a player simply because you were to stubborn or to stupid to get your nose out of the damned chart.

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No. I understand the value of having the 2nd pick in the draft. I understand that you don't just trade the 2nd pick in the draft just for the sake of trading.

There is no way you can justify moving down five spots and only getting a second round pick in return. NO WAY! NO HOW! NONE!!

 

[dolfan87]

No. I understand the value of having the 2nd pick in the draft. I understand that you don't just trade the 2nd pick in the draft just for the sake of trading.

There is no way you can justify moving down five spots and only getting a second round pick in return. NO WAY! NO HOW! NONE!!

KB, are you really this blind? I am having a hard time actually believing a man as intelligent as you doesn't understand that there IS NO value in our pick this year.

It's simply not there, and you continue to bash this drum of knowing the value of our pick. The players in this draft make up the value of our pick, and that is a fact.

Here is the perfect example; This year Nick is really trying to move out of our spot. The Vikings have stated that they won't give up the 18th pick to move up from 7 to 2. BECAUSE THERE IS NO VALUE IF EDWARDS IS OFF THE BOARD.

Smith, and Edwards seem to be graded maybe 10-15 points above Benson, Brown, Caddy, Williams.

Analogy-

I own a 1970 Mach 1 Mustang for sale for $50,000.00.

It runs the quarter mile in 11.6 seconds, and gets 15 MPG.

On top of that, the car costs me 1.2 million a year in insurance, and the one time up front state registration fee was 8.5 million.

Now I could of got basically the same car PLUS a nice little convertable for the wife for the same money had I just waited a couple more weeks.

Otherwise I look like a moron driving around a car I overpaid for, when my neighbor has the same car for less money, and the vert to boot.

Get it now?

 

[KB21]

KB, are you really this blind? I am having a hard time actually believing a man as intelligent as you doesn't understand that there IS NO value in our pick this year.

It's simply not there, and you continue to bash this drum of knowing the value of our pick. The players in this draft make up the value of our pick, and that is a fact.

Here is the perfect example; This year Nick is really trying to move out of our spot. The Vikings have stated that they won't give up the 18th pick to move up from 7 to 2. BECAUSE THERE IS NO VALUE IF EDWARDS IS OFF THE BOARD.

Smith, and Edwards seem to be graded maybe 10-15 points above Benson, Brown, Caddy, Williams.

Analogy-

I own a 1970 Mach 1 Mustang for sale for $50,000.00.

It runs the quarter mile in 11.6 seconds, and gets 15 MPG.

On top of that, the car costs me 1.2 million a year in insurance, and the one time up front state registration fee was 8.5 million.

Now I could of got basically the same car PLUS a nice little convertable for the wife for the same money had I just waited a couple more weeks.

Otherwise I look like a moron driving around a car I overpaid for, when my neighbor has the same car for less money, and the vert to boot.

Get it now?

The second pick has value. It hasn't lost value just because Miami has the pick. This pick has as much value as the second picks in the past have had.

You simply don't trade down 5 slots from the 2nd pick and get only a second round pick in return.

If we trade the pick, then we will get what the draft chart says the value of the pick is. We will not accept less just because some of you that have no clue think the pick has no value.

 

[PhinPhreak]

The second pick has value. It hasn't lost value just because Miami has the pick. This pick has as much value as the second picks in the past have had.

You simply don't trade down 5 slots from the 2nd pick and get only a second round pick in return.

If we trade the pick, then we will get what the draft chart says the value of the pick is. We will not accept less just because some of you that have no clue think the pick has no value.

Yea we have no clue, just because we dont live and die by the value chart, talk about tunnel vision.

Here's an example if we take last years draft,

Pick 3 Larry Fitzgerald

or

Pick 7 Roy Williams

and

Pick 43 Julius Jones

I bet the 7th and 43 pick would not total the #3 pick but I think I would much rather have Roy Williams and Julius Jones.

The value of the pick is only as good as the players that are available to be picked there. You are ready to make a decision for they future of your team because a chart tells you. I really hope Saban is not as blind to making his own decisions as you are.

 

[PhinPhreak]

Nobody said the pick doesn't have value, it may have much more value to some teams then others, If a team is looking for a starting QB then yes it may have more value, if they are looking for a RB then the pick may not be as valuable to that team.

 

[dolfan87]

The second pick has value. It hasn't lost value just because Miami has the pick. This pick has as much value as the second picks in the past have had.

You simply don't trade down 5 slots from the 2nd pick and get only a second round pick in return.

If we trade the pick, then we will get what the draft chart says the value of the pick is. We will not accept less just because some of you that have no clue think the pick has no value.

I want to ask you one simple question: Are you willing to overpay a player at number two? You would rather give a Ronnie Brown, or Braylon Edwards more money than they are worth simply because Jimmy Johnson made a chart?

 

[TeeMoney]

KB is a robot. Where is Yoshimi when we need her???

 

[KB21]

I want to ask you one simple question: Are you willing to overpay a player at number two? You would rather give a Ronnie Brown, or Braylon Edwards more money than they are worth simply because Jimmy Johnson made a chart?

I would rather give Ronnie Brown the money the #2 pick warrants rather than trade the pick for less than market value.

 

[dolfan87]

I would rather give Ronnie Brown the money the #2 pick warrants rather than trade the pick for less than market value.

We agree to disagree.

 

[PhinPhreak]

I would rather give Ronnie Brown the money the #2 pick warrants rather than trade the pick for less than market value.

Even if you could possibly get Ronnie Brown at 5 and another player, along with paying Ronnie Brown less money?