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Tannchise

Tannchise

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My goodness, the Miami Dolphins are the Cleveland Browns of the AFC East. The list is long but here a few reasons why:

1. Their love and admiration for free agents and re-signing them to ridiculous deals.
2. The reputation of not signing players after developing their own players; this after years of consistent bad drafting
3. A head coach who consistently defends mediocrity. He has consistently graded Pouncey and James high. He defends Kiko.
4. QB. The most divisive player in Phins history. His breakout stats in 2016 including after 13 games throwing for 19 Tds and 12 Ints. Not to mention he injured the same knee twice. Bigger picture they drafted a qb who was converted WR #8 overall
5. Lack of identity. Always statistically in the 20's in offense and defense. Why can't they fix one side of the ball?
6. Lack of strategic thinking. You lose your starting qb in 2016 to an ACL injury and they go the entire offseason in 2017 and not do anything, and end up selecting their starter in Aug, 2017 on a guy that was basically retired after a few games in 2016.
7. As with #7, coaching familiarity with former players has been an absolute failure. Bushrod, Larsen, Thomas.
8. The inability to sign players early. Landry should have been locked up last season or season before.
9. Ah, qb. What kind of qb do you want? A fringe playoff qb or one that consistently takes you deep in the playoffs? Mediocrity is the new norm here.
10. No accountability to Ownership. Ross is very clueless. How have personnel decisions kept this FO intact?

It comes down to this. The Miami Dolphins are team of distant memory from the 70's and 80's. In the past 18-19 years, they have refused, through multiple owners and FO's, to address the Oline and QB. The formula is bad. Draft poorly, make it up with free agents, and the refusal to sign players they develop to a long term deal. If more of the status quo occurs this season, both the HC and FO will be fired. But hey, we are used to it
 
miamiron said:
I'm SHOCKED Tannehill made it to #4 and #9
with your biased hate for him
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Trubisky, Mahomes, Goff, Wentz and Waston. Teams are trading up more frequently for a chance to have franchise qb's. They are willing to exchange their first round, a 3rd and a 1st next year for a chance to get into the qb sweepstakes. There should be another 2-3 trades this year. That's about 25% of the league in 3 seasons. Teams understand that having a fringe qb (ike Tannehill) requires too much salary cap and requires too many hits on drafts and is expensive. It's the Phins formula. Fringe qb, requires a perfect offensive line, an expensive offensive line, and based on this pressure, has turned out to be bad picks. 25% of the league, in addition to the 5-6 elite qb's, realize that once you have a qb, you can have voids of talent elsewhere.
 
i don't really say how you could say that we've failed to TRY to address QB or OLine the last 18-19 years :pompus

2000- signed fielder who looked good in a few games for JAX and awesome in playoff game...Drafted OT Wade in 2nd (starter starter)
2002- C McKinney in 3rd round (starter) brought in Jamie Nails (starter)
2003- T Smith 3rd round (starter)
2004 drafted 3 Oline 2 high 1st-Carey, 3rd G whitley (don't remember this one) 6th G-Hadnot (who had a long career)
2005- should've been where we got our future HOF or PB QB instead time for our SEC run of drafts
2006-brought in Geno James who was a pretty good G at time, and made the ultimate Culpepper area...TRIED TO ADDRESS QB tho
2007-2nd round QB Beck who was supposed to be able to throw over a mountain and satelae in 2nd who wasn't a bad starter
2008-1st pick what was supposed to be future HOF LT Long #1 and Henne in 2nd also brought in Smiley at G who was supposed to be stud also brought in pennington, doubled down on the QB position
2009-gonna ignore pat white as our 2nd
2010-signed COgs and drafted John Jerry 3rd
2011- pounce 1st round, brought in the hot back up Moore
2012- tannehill 1 Martin round 2 once again address OL and QB in first 2 rounds
2013- dallas Thomas in the 3rd who was supposed to be a steal IRC at that spot...ughh, brought in Mryant McKinnie to start he just lost it
2014- James in 1st, turner in 3rd doubling down high on OL and brought in Big AL at same time
2016-Tunsil 1, supposed to be a steal

so these last 18-19 years it looks like we've drafted 14 OLinemen in first 3 rounds and brought in quite a few name big to good named free agents. QB wise we've drafted we've actually drafted 4 in the top 2 rounds the last 10 years. other than maybe teams that keep missing and just get horrible QB's I think you would be hard pressed to find other teams that I have drafted 4 qbs in the top 2 rounds the last 10 years.

so this entire we refuse to address the OL or QB seems to be confusing to me??? fixed everything, no...address, sure looks like we've tried to repeatedly address through both the draft and FA
 
crumpdaddy said:
i don't really say how you could say that we've failed to TRY to address QB or OLine the last 18-19 years :pompus

2000- signed fielder who looked good in a few games for JAX and awesome in playoff game...Drafted OT Wade in 2nd (starter starter)
2002- C McKinney in 3rd round (starter) brought in Jamie Nails (starter)
2003- T Smith 3rd round (starter)
2004 drafted 3 Oline 2 high 1st-Carey, 3rd G whitley (don't remember this one) 6th G-Hadnot (who had a long career)
2005- should've been where we got our future HOF or PB QB instead time for our SEC run of drafts
2006-brought in Geno James who was a pretty good G at time, and made the ultimate Culpepper area...TRIED TO ADDRESS QB tho
2007-2nd round QB Beck who was supposed to be able to throw over a mountain and satelae in 2nd who wasn't a bad starter
2008-1st pick what was supposed to be future HOF LT Long #1 and Henne in 2nd also brought in Smiley at G who was supposed to be stud also brought in pennington, doubled down on the QB position
2009-gonna ignore pat white as our 2nd
2010-signed COgs and drafted John Jerry 3rd
2011- pounce 1st round, brought in the hot back up Moore
2012- tannehill 1 Martin round 2 once again address OL and QB in first 2 rounds
2013- dallas Thomas in the 3rd who was supposed to be a steal IRC at that spot...ughh, brought in Mryant McKinnie to start he just lost it
2014- James in 1st, turner in 3rd doubling down high on OL and brought in Big AL at same time
2016-Tunsil 1, supposed to be a steal

so these last 18-19 years it looks like we've drafted 14 OLinemen in first 3 rounds and brought in quite a few name big to good named free agents. QB wise we've drafted we've actually drafted 4 in the top 2 rounds the last 10 years. other than maybe teams that keep missing and just get horrible QB's I think you would be hard pressed to find other teams that I have drafted 4 qbs in the top 2 rounds the last 10 years.

so this entire we refuse to address the OL or QB seems to be confusing to me??? fixed everything, no...address, sure looks like we've tried to repeatedly address through both the draft and FA
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Not drafting and drafting poorly is the same thing
 
no ummm, not drafting is what the saints did when they traded their entire draft for ricky Williams, that would be considered NOT drafting. drafting poorly just sucks. I was just referencing you saying they refused to try to draft OL or QB's. looks like they've attempted to draft a lot. If they hadn't drafted any OL inside the top 3 rounds then you could say they refused to try to address it with the draft. it looks like other than the saban administration we refused to draft QB or OL high, all the rest of the coaches GM's gave it the good ol heave ho.

SO two completely different things. its almost like saying if someone post something stupid....they still posted it, it was just stupid. in reference to if they didn't post at all then their opinion (or pick) would never be heard
 
The little DNA we have is about to growl as a bear
 
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I actually don't disagree with your list....a little heavy handed on the "arm-chair GM" hot take in hindsight type of view.....but you're right.

We've consistently mis-stepped over and over again, drafting has been poor, the coaches that have come and gone have been defended until they were thrown out, free agent signings have been completely mismanaged.....

Until the Dolphins have some sort of an anchor whether at QB, Coach, a player Defensively, or a 100% Bonafide star that can make a difference on this team....we are likely going to muddle around the .500 mark. That is why I will never object to a QB at 11 if there is star potential. I'm not saying Tannehill can't be that guy, but I will not object to a proactive effort to go and get that guy.

Landry isn't that player, and that's also a reason why I am not heartbroken we're letting him go instead of coughing up $14m per year.

All that being said, this post has been repeated throughout the forum in miscellaneous threads for many year, but it is offseason time and I don't have anything better to do than to respond.
 
I am so done with Gase. He has no eye for talent if you ask me. Like you said, he defends Kiko, Mp and Jj. He is stuck in his ways and not even 40 YEARS OLD!! MAJOR RED FLAG. He has no clue what is going on with the defense. Carroo hasn't touched the field but jakeem grant seemed to get more targets than kenny stills down the stretch. We're going to trade LANDRY and let Gase rebuild his WR room? For maximum screen calls? Good luck with that!!!

I'm just done with Gase, not this team. I don't care about anything Gase has to say.

***OH yeah, Gase brought in Fasano and Thomas, 2 guys who are totally washed at this point in the career and Marquis Gray who had a fantastic 2016/2017 year could not even smell the grass the whole year. This a great head coach guys!!! Remember that no name TE who got like 5 red zone looks in the last few games? I don't think he caught a single pass! That is your guy Gase making those calls!!!! Sickening
 
It all boils down to Don Shula. He knew how to get the best out of his players, knew how to size up talent, knew coaching and was as respected as a head coach could be. The front office actually cared back then, the players weren't making $20M/Yr. either. Nowadays it's all about profit, showmanship and quantitative analysis. Boy how I miss the old days..........And here I thought that Adam Gase could walk in Don Shula's shoes.......HA!!! He couldn't even hold his clipboard I'm sad to say.
 
CaSh said:
I am so done with Gase. He has no eye for talent if you ask me. Like you said, he defends Kiko, Mp and Jj. He is stuck in his ways and not even 40 YEARS OLD!! MAJOR RED FLAG. He has no clue what is going on with the defense. Carroo hasn't touched the field but jakeem grant seemed to get more targets than kenny stills down the stretch. We're going to trade LANDRY and let Gase rebuild his WR room? For maximum screen calls? Good luck with that!!!

I'm just done with Gase, not this team. I don't care about anything Gase has to say.

***OH yeah, Gase brought in Fasano and Thomas, 2 guys who are totally washed at this point in the career and Marquis Gray who had a fantastic 2016/2017 year could not even smell the grass the whole year. This a great head coach guys!!! Remember that no name TE who got like 5 red zone looks in the last few games? I don't think he caught a single pass! That is your guy Gase making those calls!!!! Sickening
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I thought Fasano had a good year. He did what he was brought in to do, block. Were you expecting him to have pro bowl te receiving numbers?
 
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