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The management and coaches realize that in today's NFL you need to be able to throw down field successfully with consistency. The team's coaches have convinced themselves they can skimp in this area and simply build the running game and the defense, which is particularly disturbing since it was this philosophy which tortured us for so many years under Wannstedt.

You need to be able to throw the ball down the field with success. Look at how we lost all 3 of these games, Atlanta, Indi, and San Diego all throw the ball down the field with success against us. Look at who the elite teams are in the league - they are teams that are committed to passing - Patriots, Saints, Colts, and yes, even the Steelers have a greater emphasis on passing today.

This team has absolutely none of that. The coaches have no commitment to passing the ball down the field successfully, and this inhibits our offense greatly in that A) the safeties can cheat up and stop the run more effectively because there is no threat of the deep ball B) the safeties and corners can jump the first move on every route - and be correct 95% of the time - which causes incompletions and interceptions.

Let's look at this from a purely mathematical point of view.

Average yards per passing attempt in the NFL is 6 or 7
Average yards per rushing attempt in the NFL is 4

Purely based on math this tells you that you should be passing more than you should be running, since on average throwing gets you more yards, which in turn gets you more points.

Unfortunately, this team has a front office and management that dogmatically hold to it's prehistoric strategy of running + defense...which I think Wannstedt disproved well enough.

This team cannot succeed until a commitment to success in the passing game is made. And judging by the conservative play calling and philosophies of the coaching staff, it looks like we're going to have to go through another management change before that happens. This isn't 1930s anymore guys, the game has changed, and it favors the team with an elite QB. If this is not obvious enough to anyone after watching the Patriots, Colts, Giants, and Steelers win super bowls in recent years because of Brady, Manning, Manning, and Roethlisberger, no amount of evidence will ever sway you from your conservative, old style football superstition.

Never has this been more obvious. Rewatch our game against the Colts if you must - see Manning pickup 20 yard chunks at will, and score TDs within 30 seconds of getting the ball, while our team has to claw away for 30 minutes just to get into field goal range if we are lucky. The game has changed. Our coaches philosophies stay the same. Don Shula was the only one that ever had it right. Get an elite QB, put the ball in his hands and watch.
 
It's not even that you need a good/great passing game. You just need a *competent* passing game. A great D and a solid running game will still win championships - I don't think the NFL has changed so drastically all of a sudden that the fundamentals of football are ineffective and suddenly you need a high-flying aerial attack.

The Giants Superbowl team defeated the Pats' record-setting aerial acrobatics show with a solid D, a tremendous running game, and a passing game that was merely adequate when called upon (Manning had been fairly mediocre for much of that season). The Ravens of last year, who got to the AFC championship, and the Jets of this year, are showing that you can do quite well with that same formula.

Our problem is that we don't even have the *threat* of a passing game to complement our run game (and the D is not at all great but rather quite pedestrian). As much I love the guy, our injured QB's arm doesn't scare anyone, and neither do our receivers. That's different from retooling the entire team to a high-octane aerial attack. In today's NFL it looks like you can win with either formula, but you DO need all the pieces for your chosen strategy.
 
We just were given a three great examples of why the modern NFL is a QB driven game. We were defeated in our first three games by three excellent QBs.

Peyton Manning: 6' 5" and 230 pounds.
Matt Ryan: 6' 4" and 213 pounds
Phillip Rivers: 6 '5" and 228 pounds.

Their height, weight, hand size and high draft status are no accident.

Add to that Matt Stafford bringing the Lions to their first win in 19 games.

I'm now going to spend a few days hating Nick Satan even more for wasting a 2nd and 5th round pick and drafting Jason Allen instead of trying to move up and take Jay Cutler...........................
 
Sorry but Rivers is not all that and is a perfect example of having a big arm but making poor decisions. How many times have the Chargers had to settle for fieldgoals in the redzone? Too many if you ask me. The one time the SD did score in the past two games was because Rivers couldn't even make the throw and ran it in against our poor defense.
 
No, we will never win a superbowl until we have continuity on this team, meaning no coaching changes or F.O. changes for 5+ years. The multiple coaching changes is what has doomed this team in the past decade. Combine that with bad drafts and players who were drafted that don't fit the "schemes" of the new regime and well here you go...
 
I agree with both of you: we need continuity and a good passing offense

We have not had both for a loooooooooooong time
 
Sorry but Rivers is not all that and is a perfect example of having a big arm but making poor decisions. How many times have the Chargers had to settle for fieldgoals in the redzone? Too many if you ask me. The one time the SD did score in the past two games was because Rivers couldn't even make the throw and ran it in against our poor defense.
thats norv turners fault
 
It is somewhat true. We have a great Run D, poor pass D. We have the 3rd best rushing offense in the NFL. yet we're 0-3. We lack a #1 WR and now are questionable at QB again, and teams are burning us through the air.
 
I am a big supporter of our coaching staff and FO. I think they are good at what they do. With that being said, the Coaches did not give Henne a chance to succeed yesterday because of excatly why you said......the defense just sat on the short routes with no worries of a deep ball and then sent the blitz after him making him make quick decisions. Over the next couple of weeks I would expect this coaching staff to open up the offense some because we now have a QB who can go deep. I would call a playaction deep pass on our first play of the game next week. Lets stop playing scared and start trying to make plays. Hopefully with the 0-3 record they will have nothing to lose and start playing ball.

The defensive secondary is a mess, I would go with the future back there at least 50% of the time. Watching those safties continue to make mistakes on deep balls is depressing. I would rather have the young guys make those mistakes and see if they can learn from them.
 
The only problem with going deep is at ATL White went deep to Ginn and nothing. Yesterday Pennington went deep to Ginn and nothing. Will it work with Henne? Maybe. He had a nice pass to Hartline, and if he was a yard or 2 back that would have been an epic Touchdown pass. I'm not confident in Ginn being there though. I'd rather have Hartline out there. or Camarillo.
 
The only problem with going deep is at ATL White went deep to Ginn and nothing. Yesterday Pennington went deep to Ginn and nothing. Will it work with Henne? Maybe. He had a nice pass to Hartline, and if he was a yard or 2 back that would have been an epic Touchdown pass. I'm not confident in Ginn being there though. I'd rather have Hartline out there. or Camarillo.

It would have been an epic touchdown, and the way he evaded the blitz was awesome. But the problem was that he had a short timeframe where he needed to throw the ball, but didn't recognize that. All in all Henne showed some real potential on plays like that, but with that and the pick 6 he showed the reasons why his potential is going to be just that for a little while. I'm exited either way to see him play next week.
 
As I said in another post the Bills secondary is hurting right now, so Henne needs to show something against them or it is not a good sign.
 
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