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I know our online sucks but with today’s changes can anyone give any opinions. Was it better? Is this the way to go forward? Jackson at guard and echinberg at left tackle?


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I know we wasted capital last year on draft

What about this year?
What are peoples thoughts on waddle Phillips and Holland.

Honestly how has Holland done? I haven’t noticed him except in week i or a play here or there.

Is this draft class any good?
 
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Phillips appears to be getting better and better to me. He stood out today in terms of effort and play making against the rest of the pathetic defensive effort. The fact that a rookie was out there showing the rest of them what a motor is says a lot about Phillips but unfortunately probably more about the rest of them.
 
I wasn’t a fan and still have my doubts. Lets take a look:

1a Waddle: looks like we spend two top 10 picks on a slot receiver that we have no clue how to use. Even if he does pan out, the price for what we got was too steep. The correct play was to stay at 3 for Pitts or stay at 12 and take oline.

1b Phillips: didn’t like this pick with the injury history and questionable fit in our scheme. I also didn’t see anything special about him as an athlete especially as a pass rusher. I wanted Najee Harris or a RT. I still don’t see anything special about his pass rush but he does have better burst than I gave him credit. this pick has the highest chance of panning out imo.

2a Holland: since the fumble he created in week one he has been fairly invisible. Well that was until today. He looked completely lost in zone and did a poor job tackling. I may be judging him harshly because he’s a Flo guy but I just don’t see anything but an average player. At the time I viewed him as a jack of all trades but a master of none and that made him a major reach. Honestly I think we panicked when Williams was picked and went for a luxury pick when we already had McCain and McCourty and didn’t need a FS.

2b Eichenberg my least favorite pick in the whole draft. His arms are too short to play tackle and he doesn’t have the size or anchor to play guard. So where do you play a guy like that? Well if your Miami you move him around so he can be beat and absolutely exposed and abused in 3 different oline positions. I have zero hope for this guy and think he’ll rival Jackson for our worst olineman for the next 2/3 years. Add to this the fact that he cost a second and a third and this pick hurts even more. I’d rather stayed put and draft cosmi

3. Long: I had to go for a run after this pick because I was so frustrated. We didn’t need another TE unless we were trading Gesicki. Well here we are and he has more games inactive than catches. He is no different than what I see from Smythe or Shaheen, so that makes him the 3rd carbon copy of a flawed tight end. I just don’t see him making much impact if any while he’s here. Quinn meinerz was right there and we got to see this kid dominate at the senior bowl. Smh

After the dust settled in April and I read the draftniks’s glowing reviews about our draft, I thought maybe I was wrong. I became hopeful and forgot the reasons why I didn’t like our draft to begin with. Well, now after 5 games, I’ve seen exactly what I expected in April. I’m not gloating, I’m sick to my stomach. I want more than anything to come back here and eat a HUGE plate of crow. I just hope that the next coaching staff can salvage or resurrect some of these careers And we really didn’t completely blow 3 straight drafts in a row.
 
I wasn’t a fan and still have my doubts. Lets take a look:

1a Waddle: looks like we spend two top 10 picks on a slot receiver that we have no clue how to use. Even if he does pan out, the price for what we got was too steep. The correct play was to stay at 3 for Pitts or stay at 12 and take oline.

1b Phillips: didn’t like this pick with the injury history and questionable fit in our scheme. I also didn’t see anything special about him as an athlete especially as a pass rusher. I wanted Najee Harris or a RT. I still don’t see anything special about his pass rush but he does have better burst than I gave him credit. this pick has the highest chance of panning out imo.

2a Holland: since the fumble he created in week one he has been fairly invisible. Well that was until today. He looked completely lost in zone and did a poor job tackling. I may be judging him harshly because he’s a Flo guy but I just don’t see anything but an average player. At the time I viewed him as a jack of all trades but a master of none and that made him a major reach. Honestly I think we panicked when Williams was picked and went for a luxury pick when we already had McCain and McCourty and didn’t need a FS.

2b Eichenberg my least favorite pick in the whole draft. His arms are too short to play tackle and he doesn’t have the size or anchor to play guard. So where do you play a guy like that? Well if your Miami you move him around so he can be beat and absolutely exposed and abused in 3 different oline positions. I have zero hope for this guy and think he’ll rival Jackson for our worst olineman for the next 2/3 years. Add to this the fact that he cost a second and a third and this pick hurts even more. I’d rather stayed put and draft cosmi

3. Long: I had to go for a run after this pick because I was so frustrated. We didn’t need another TE unless we were trading Gesicki. Well here we are and he has more games inactive than catches. He is no different than what I see from Smythe or Shaheen, so that makes him the 3rd carbon copy of a flawed tight end. I just don’t see him making much impact if any while he’s here. Quinn meinerz was right there and we got to see this kid dominate at the senior bowl. Smh

After the dust settled in April and I read the draftniks’s glowing reviews about our draft, I thought maybe I was wrong. I became hopeful and forgot the reasons why I didn’t like our draft to begin with. Well, now after 5 games, I’ve seen exactly what I expected in April. I’m not gloating, I’m sick to my stomach. I want more than anything to come back here and eat a HUGE plate of crow. I just hope that the next coaching staff can salvage or resurrect some of these careers And we really didn’t completely blow 3 straight drafts in a row.
Thanks

Great. That sucks for us. We need this draft class. What did I think of line changes?
 
Lbs on this year's team blow. Constantly out of positions I saw a few plays today if Roberts stays at home he makes the play. I am not going to speak on Baker.
 
The line was better today. There were still moments of horror but it looked much more stable. Eichenberg may never be great but he’s a much better left tackle than Jackson right now but I don’t think he’s a long term fix at that position.
 
Thanks

Great. That sucks for us. We need this draft class. What did I think of line changes?

overall D to D+

Davis had 3 complete whiffs so nothing new there.

Jackson is still grabbing and holding, he held up better than I thought, but was still bullied for the most part. I guess I imagined him being on has ass more often than he was.

manscz (sp) played well and was our best olinemen today.

Hunt needs to be back at tackle, he just looks unnatural at guard right now though that could be due to Davis being next to him.

eich was by far the worst, even with the whiffs by Davis. He was pushed around , holding, and beaten like a drum More so than the rest. I have no doubts that he will grade out as the worst olineman today. I counted 1 sack and at least 5 pressures he should be credited with.
 
overall D to D+

Davis had 3 complete whiffs so nothing new there.

Jackson is still grabbing and holding, he held up better than I thought, but was still bullied for the most part. I guess I imagined him being on has *** more often than he was.

manscz (sp) played well and was our best olinemen today.

Hunt needs to be back at tackle, he just looks unnatural at guard right now though that could be due to Davis being next to him.

eich was by far the worst, even with the whiffs by Davis. He was pushed around , holding, and beaten like a drum More so than the rest. I have no doubts that he will grade out as the worst olineman today. I counted 1 sack and at least 5 pressures he should be credited with.
Ugh
Great. Thanks for your insight man.
 
There are a lot of doom and gloom hot takes flying around here, but it’s impossible to know anything significant about a draft class 5 games into their rookie season. Particularly when your starting QB has missed 4 games in a row and your offense has averaged 15.5 points a game in his absence. The team has a ton of issues and no rookie is going to be the answer. We need the vets that are allegedly the core of the team to step up and earn their contracts.
 
I know our online sucks but with today’s changes can anyone give any opinions. Was it better? Is this the way to go forward? Jackson at guard and echinberg at left tackle?


Also

I know we wasted capital last year on draft

What about this year?
What are peoples thoughts on waddle Phillips and Holland.

Honestly how has Holland done? I haven’t noticed him except in week i or a play here or there.

Is this draft class any good?
Upcoming draft class might be one of the worst in memory. The changes to the line didn’t work. People will claim it did or that we played better but they barely bothered blitzing. Grier drafted a bunch of JAGs like he does every draft. Waddle, allowed to actually run deep routes, could be special. Sadly the line is terrible which makes that next to impossible given our average at best QBs and non-existent running game.
 
There have been so many OL changes that I honestly don't know who is playing where each week. We all know how important continuity is for the OL. No surprise that our OL sucks.
 
Kadarius Toney picked at #20 is showing elite traits (albeit with questionable agresssiveness) that did not cost 2 first rounds picks. Toney looks special, Waddle looks okay

The Waddle trade is looking more and more like the worst trade in Dolphins history. We are talking two high draft picks for a non-qb with average hands. If anybody came to their boss with such a poor risk management evaluation as happened with the Waddle trade, you'd be out of a job. It is as dumb a move as a GM can make. That's Grier and Flores, big picture does not exist in their minds.
 
I don't think we should draft Lineman unless it's later round value. Sign and pay for vets. We need a strong Run stopping MLB.
 
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