Three Areas Tannehill Must Improve Upon-SPORTSTALKFLORIDA.COM NEWS

[MDFINFAN]

I agree with a lot of this. I've often thought Tannehill sacked himself a lot.

Allow Routes To Develop If Tannehill consistently get's proper depth in his drops he should have more time to allow his routes to develop. On multiple occasions last season Tannehill missed opportunities for big plays by coming off of vertical routesand throwing the checkdown too quickly. His willingness to throw the checkdown has helped him steer clear offorcing the football down the field and throwing interceptions, but at times it seemed as though theunderneath throws were predetermined.
Tannehill has the ability to make every throw on the field, but if he's unwilling to see the field, he will continue to miss opportunities that could greatly benefit his team. Dolphins new head coach Adam Gase will challenge Tannehill to see the entire field and exploit mismatches. In order for him to maximize yardage on passing downs, he must exercise patience and allow routes to develop.

http://www.sportstalkflorida.com/three-areas-tannehill-must-improve-upon

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Seems to me like the author is saying he doesn't get deep enough and he gets too deep. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

So if you had a seven-step drop, your quarterback can't be deeper than 9.5 [yards]. And if he sits at 9.5 [yards] or he's any deeper, then it's really on him."

This implies the problem is that he has a tendency to get too deep. Of course it doesn't answer the question of what to do when your guards are at 9.5 yards.....

In the next paragraph the author writes this:

If Tannehill consistently get's proper depth in his drops he should have more time to allow his routes to develop.

This implies he is not getting deep enough and not allowing time for the route to develop.

Which is it?

I think Tannehill needs to improve his escapability (so I agree with the 3rd point). It is a delicate balance. IMO, Wilson scrambles too much and sacks himself.

I also think Tannehill needs to take more risks with the ball. Again, balance is needed between INTs and big plays. IMO, he is too conservative.

 

[Travis34]

Well, I'm not trying to say Tannehill is amazing at those things or couldn't improve, but (not to beat a dead horse here). I don't feel that's all on him.. I won't argue that at times he needs to be more mobile in the pocket. But the pressure he is constantly under likely makes him think of ghosts and know he's about to be hit at any second. At times you could say he checks down, sure. But I see him always scanning the field for an open man.

They say he doesn't take the right amount of steps on a drop back? Idk about that, when pressure is coming at you instantly, you have to get the ball out. Likely if he takes any more steps, it's a sack, batted ball, or just a terrible throw... Again, he likely thinks in his mind he needs to take quicker drops and get set to throw due to not trusting his line. I mean hell why should be trust his line?

So, again, I'm not saying he's perfect, but to say "he sacks himself a lot" is definitely an overstatement

 

[psfign]

Looks like an article written by someone who hasnt seen RT play.

 

[Kdawg954]

Just overall continued improved pocket awareness and movement will go a long way in helping Tannehill become a better QB.

 

[MDFINFAN]

I'm not going to knock the author, I can be critical of him, but his overall view of THill seem to be correct to me. Some of Thill problems starts from his awareness and movement in the pocket. This of course causes foot work problems that leads to inaccuracy sometimes. Thill, like most QBs, when he has time, he's killer down field. But pressure does interrupt him more, maybe than it should. Hope all the footwork drills Gase has him doing this offseason pays off.

 

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SportstalkFlorida.com... Lots of quality football analysts there?

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I'm not going to knock the author, I can be critical of him, but his overall view of THill seem to be correct to me. Some of Thill problems starts from his awareness and movement in the pocket. This of course causes foot work problems that leads to inaccuracy sometimes. Thill, like most QBs, when he has time, he's killer down field. But pressure does interrupt him more, maybe than it should. Hope all the footwork drills Gase has him doing this offseason pays off.

I don't see evidence that it affects him more that most QBs. Are some QBs special in this regard? Sure, Rodgers, Marino, Manning. But many greats are not special in that aspect of their game. IMO, Brady is just okay avoiding pressure.

http://www.patspulpit.com/2015/7/18/8958023/pro-football-focus-patriots-quarterback-tom-brady-still-struggles-under-pressure

In 2014 Tom Brady's passer rating dropped 57 points when pressured. Only QB to suffer worse was Bortles (62 drop).

This is a fairly staggering piece of information. According to Pro Football Focus' numbers, Brady's passer rating dropped from 112.7 to 55.5 when the quarterback was pressured. Brady's passer rating was 97.4 when not blitzed, and 99.6 when blitzed, so the most beneficial pressure against Brady comes from the standard four rushers.

As I have stated many, many, many times, this has been the biggest issue with the Dolphins OL.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tom-brady-couldnt-take-the-pressure/

It’s hardly a secret that pressure is Brady’s Kryptonite — the league’s been trying to re-create the Giants’ Super Bowl XLII game plan for years. But while every quarterback sees a dramatic decline in performance with onrushing defenders in his face, Brady is especially susceptible to their deleterious effects.

The Broncos got to Brady despite blitzing just three times all game, thanks to a front four that has been flattening offenses all year.

To wit: Since 2009, Brady has the best QBR in football against the blitz, in part because of his quick release and in part because of reads made before the ball is snapped. But when teams are able to get pressure without sending extra defenders, Brady suddenly has one of the league’s worst QBRs — it’s a very different read when Miller and Ware are in your face and those hot receivers aren’t running so hot.

Again, this has been my biggest issue with the Dolphins and all the blame that falls on Tannehill. One of the best of all time has EXACTLY the same issue SIXTEEN years into his career.

 

[hoops]

if that depth of drops stuff were true he'd be way off with the timing of the routes...the ball comes out when it does come out exactly when it should...so that's bogus...how many timing based routes is the qb late to deliver the ball on? nil

this guys basically saying he's taking extra steps in his drop...nah...now what I do agree with is that he can stay too deep at times once he finishes his drop and not climb forward and as a result wide rush pressure gets to him but that's usually a result of outside and inside pressure at the same time...still he could power step forward more I just think he's seen so much outside AND inside interior quick pressure he's more apt to bail to his strong side...his throwing arm side...if he gets clean interiors and doesn't climb the pocket in 2016 then I will worry about it...til then nope

as far as letting routes develop he's a pre snap read based progression qb he determines where he's going with the football an awful lot pre snap...which means he's gonna come off clear out verticals for the intermediate crosser etc in the old o...but that was also by design

it reads to me like the author here didn't understand what the offense was designed to do under lazor which was by design attack the intermediate level off pa primarily...I don't see any examples of the qb coming off the verticals when he gets the right coverage looks to attack them and he does a really good job of manipulating coverage with his head in his vertical drop

shuffling to find space once he finishes his drop and resetting to throw off an even platform are still works in progress

 

[foozool13]

It's pretty simple to me:

1. 3rd Down
2. Red Zone
3. 4th Quarter

 

[MDFINFAN]

I don't see evidence that it affects him more that most QBs. Are some QBs special in this regard? Sure, Rodgers, Marino, Manning. But many greats are not special in that aspect of their game. IMO, Brady is just okay avoiding pressure.

http://www.patspulpit.com/2015/7/18/8958023/pro-football-focus-patriots-quarterback-tom-brady-still-struggles-under-pressure





As I have stated many, many, many times, this has been the biggest issue with the Dolphins OL.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tom-brady-couldnt-take-the-pressure/







Again, this has been my biggest issue with the Dolphins and all the blame that falls on Tannehill. One of the best of all time has EXACTLY the same issue SIXTEEN years into his career.

What I meant by this is, THill still hasn't learn to master the slide side and move up step when pressured, thus his footwork causes him to throw inaccurately in those moments, whereas a Brady will side step get back in throwing position and make a better throw. We all know Brady when he gets beat up, is as average as they get...Denver and NY Giants showed that, hell even our DL when their good has made Brady look for ghost rushers some games..

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

What I mean by this, is THill still hasn't learn to master the slide side and move up step when pressured, thus his footwork causes him to throw inaccurately in those moments, whereas a Brady will side step get back in throwing position and make a better throw. We all know Brady will he gets beat up is as average as they get...Denver and NY Giants showed that, hell even our DL when their good as made Brady look for ghost rushers some games..

If we are talking the difference between Tannehill and the elite QBs, then I agree. I read the article as things Tannehill isn't doing well at all.

IMO, Brady isn't elite at it either. If he were, his rating wouldn't drop so dramatically when pressured. Marino was the best at it. Rodgers is elite at it.

Brady's strength is his intelligence and ability to read the blitz and kill you when he has even a tiny bit of time. He finds the right receiver and picks you apart. That is why he is so tough to defend. If you cannot get to him quickly with just four rushers or disguise the hell out of your blitzes, he kills you. Translation, unless you have an elite pass rush or Brady's OL is just crapping the bed, he finds a way to get it done. Problem is that Miami's OL has been crapping the bed for 3 consecutive years.

 

[Tannchise]

having pressure in your face constantly does not allow time for plays to develop too

 

[SCLSU Mud Dogs]

having pressure in your face constantly does not allow time for plays to develop too

Yeah, I was going to say...the 31st-ranked offensive line in the NFL doesn't lend itself well to sitting back and letting routes develop. That'd be like having a questionable secondary and daring teams to pass on you.