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Since the Miami D aged so much faster than even I would have imagined I think there are three independent moves that could vastly improve the D to a top 10 stat D this year.

1) Sign Albert Haynesworth - you need a big angry fat man at nose if you are running the 3-4. Dorsey is not that guy this year or next for that matter. Albert is young, proven and a stud in the middle rotate him with Trylor and one more young guy and the pressure is off your backers to make plays.

2) Everyone says Lance Briggs but I say Terrell Suggs if the phins go OLB. He is younger and every bit as good as Lance and would complement Porter as well as take pressure off the inside backers.

3) Get Asante Samual away from the damn Patriots. Trading Wess Welker to N.E was one of the biggest mistakes the front office ever made. So turn the tide and take talent from your division rivals do add it.

I know the contract potential here is huge for these three but there is a lot of room this year and talent is thin plus Jason and Zach will be off the roster sooner than later freeing up money in the future.

If this happens on D and you pull the trigger on the Dallas trade or some other trade with the number 1. You can rebuild the O with the many picks you have this year as well as next, there is still the QB question but you can't fix it all and a great D can win more games than a Middle road offense.
 
The first 2 have about a 1% chance of getting away from their current teams....and even if they do leave it will likely be via trade (after being franchised).

Samuel is a good bet to leave NE....but may get more than Nate Clements got last year from SF....too much if you ask me.
 
1)Fisher already said hanesworth is not leaving the titans.
2)Suggs is a possiblity but with rex retained they might pony up the cash and last year they just did not have money for AD unlike this year.
3)Jets have already said they are going after samuel very agressively.they already had a rough contract agreement last year before he was tagged.so outbidding a team that been is going to be hard.
 
Didn't Seattle say that they had to invest their money elsewhere, which is why they probably weren't going to be able to re-sign Trufant? I'm just not someone that would want to invest a ton of money into my secondary. For the amount of money that Samuel could demand, we could go out and sign three or four guys to the secondary and add depth behind what we've got (which would hopefully include Trufant). I'm way too worried about our guys getting injured again and us not having anyone to fill in their voids on the field. You saw what Moss did to Worrell in the end zone...
 
NY8123 said:
Since the Miami D aged so much faster than even I would have imagined I think there are three independent moves that could vastly improve the D to a top 10 stat D this year.

1) Sign Albert Haynesworth - you need a big angry fat man at nose if you are running the 3-4. Dorsey is not that guy this year or next for that matter. Albert is young, proven and a stud in the middle rotate him with Trylor and one more young guy and the pressure is off your backers to make plays.

2) Everyone says Lance Briggs but I say Terrell Suggs if the phins go OLB. He is younger and every bit as good as Lance and would complement Porter as well as take pressure off the inside backers.

3) Get Asante Samual away from the damn Patriots. Trading Wess Welker to N.E was one of the biggest mistakes the front office ever made. So turn the tide and take talent from your division rivals do add it.

I know the contract potential here is huge for these three but there is a lot of room this year and talent is thin plus Jason and Zach will be off the roster sooner than later freeing up money in the future.

If this happens on D and you pull the trigger on the Dallas trade or some other trade with the number 1. You can rebuild the O with the many picks you have this year as well as next, there is still the QB question but you can't fix it all and a great D can win more games than a Middle road offense.
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-I believe Haynsworth is, or will sign an extension so he is out...
-We will not be able to afford Samuel, and Suggs/Briggs...
-JT will 99% be back next year
-As far as your welker comment :bong2:

I absolutely love how people are still calling the trade a bad move when its as simple as day that welker would not be HALF AS GOOD in Miami than he is in NE.. and to add insult to injury for you guys, we got our franchise center in the process... Lol... some of you guys never cease to amaze me
 
dolpns13 said:
-I believe Haynsworth is, or will sign an extension so he is out...
-We will not be able to afford Samuel, and Suggs/Briggs...
-JT will 99% be back next year
-As far as your welker comment :bong2:

I absolutely love how people are still calling the trade a bad move when its as simple as day that welker would not be HALF AS GOOD in Miami than he is in NE.. and to add insult to injury for you guys, we got our franchise center in the process... Lol... some of you guys never cease to amaze me
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When Belichick comes out as says he was happy he didn't have to defend Welker 2 times a year anymore it's a bad trade period. If you look at any offense that has been so called Prolific in the past 20 years there is one common thread, 2 good wideouts and 1 great one. San Fran, Dallas, St. Louis and the Pats. Those are the only real dynasties in the past 20 years and even Indy follows this template. When you line three good to great recovers up you simply can’t afford enough quality corners to cover them and the mismatches are exploitable, of course you need a decent QB to deliver and adjust but Kurt Warner looked pretty average after you took him out of the style of offence. So I will say Welker was a poor trade, what good receiver is going to replace him with the pick that was used or for the money? Trading him to a division rival was asinine, at least send him out of the AFC east.

As for Albert and Terrell don’t count that out, Albert is not happy with Tennessee if the years are not right, he himself has said that if the contract years were not right he would play elsewhere. Terrell might be a long shot but insert Briggs either way. The Phins are projected at 25 million under the cap without restructuring or shedding a contract. My point was Zach and Jay stay but in the next three years both will more than likely be gone and contacts could be structured around that plan. Anyway it plays out there are a few key free agents that could fill glaring needs.
 
NY8123 said:
When Belichick comes out as says he was happy he didn't have to defend Welker 2 times a year anymore it's a bad trade period. If you look at any offense that has been so called Prolific in the past 20 years there is one common thread, 2 good wideouts and 1 great one. San Fran, Dallas, St. Louis and the Pats. Those are the only real dynasties in the past 20 years and even Indy follows this template. When you line three good to great recovers up you simply can’t afford enough quality corners to cover them and the mismatches are exploitable, of course you need a decent QB to deliver and adjust but Kurt Warner looked pretty average after you took him out of the style of offence.
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or maybe those great offenses made those 3rd WR's look good. Quick who was the third WR on those Niner teams?? Cowboys?? St.Louis had Az-Hakim....yeah he looked really good after he left there, right? WRONG. Kurt Warner, who you try and knock....has been 10x the player outside that system (and a league MVP in it).

you don't think a team would let a 3rd WR go for a 2nd round pick?? Stokely walked away for nothing....as did AZ-Hakim. Welker was a great get for the Pats...no doubt about it. but the Dolphins would have been stupid to match the offer and pay him the contract the Pats were going to tender him. What you saw in '06 was basically his ceiling here......a rare, good deal for both teams IMO.
 
People Asante Samuel is overrated imho, trufant is a better pick-up than him.
 
NY8123 said:
When Belichick comes out as says he was happy he didn't have to defend Welker 2 times a year anymore it's a bad trade period. If you look at any offense that has been so called Prolific in the past 20 years there is one common thread, 2 good wideouts and 1 great one. San Fran, Dallas, St. Louis and the Pats. Those are the only real dynasties in the past 20 years and even Indy follows this template. When you line three good to great recovers up you simply can’t afford enough quality corners to cover them and the mismatches are exploitable, of course you need a decent QB to deliver and adjust but Kurt Warner looked pretty average after you took him out of the style of offence. So I will say Welker was a poor trade, what good receiver is going to replace him with the pick that was used or for the money? Trading him to a division rival was asinine, at least send him out of the AFC east.

As for Albert and Terrell don’t count that out, Albert is not happy with Tennessee if the years are not right, he himself has said that if the contract years were not right he would play elsewhere. Terrell might be a long shot but insert Briggs either way. The Phins are projected at 25 million under the cap without restructuring or shedding a contract. My point was Zach and Jay stay but in the next three years both will more than likely be gone and contacts could be structured around that plan. Anyway it plays out there are a few key free agents that could fill glaring needs.
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BB is full of crap. You know he was just saying that because WW is a rat now and he wants to pump him up... These number prove that BB is full of crap too. The total return yards, althoug look good, are only average for return yards and the most important stat.. 0 TOUCHDOWNS in 4 meetings...So as you can see, welker was hardly a factor when we played against the ratriots

2006 week 5; 9 rec for 77 - 0 td - total return yards; 6 for 118
2006 week 14; 1 rec for -1 - 0 td - total return yards; 4 for 36
2005 week 10; 2 rec for 61 - 0 td - total return yards; 7 for 104
2005 week 16; 2 rec for 20 - 0 td - total return yards; 5 for 84
 
haynesworth is coming off a contract year isn't he. I think that may have had something to do with his excelling.. at any rate, he will simply be too expensive.

I would love to see briggs land here, but I wouldn't complain if suggs did. I don't know if baltimore ponies up the cash for him or not, he would be a guy I would hope we would target if balt lets him go.

asante samuel... I have to agree that he will be extremely costly.
The best we could do won't come close to what the jets and other teams will do.

trufant would be a great player to get, if we don't land briggs or suggs. CB is a position I think we target in the draft though, either with talib, cason or DRC... One way or another, I hope we land one of these three... preferable talib DRC than cason in that order.

as far as the wes welker comment... this is why I want roy williams or chad johnson.. they command double teams. this would free up ginn, much like moss getting double teams frees up welker.

welker was not that good with us. He was never going to be more valuable to us than the 2nd and 7th we got for him. satele will hopefully anchor that OLINE for awhile. a decade or longer I hope.

I'm just sure bellicheat was relieved to not have to cover welker twice a year against us... I don't remember welker ever tearing NE a new one when we played them.
 
2413fanphins said:
haynesworth is coming off a contract year isn't he. I think that may have had something to do with his excelling.. at any rate, he will simply be too expensive.

I would love to see briggs land here, but I wouldn't complain if suggs did. I don't know if baltimore ponies up the cash for him or not, he would be a guy I would hope we would target if balt lets him go.

asante samuel... I have to agree that he will be extremely costly.
The best we could do won't come close to what the jets and other teams will do.

trufant would be a great player to get, if we don't land briggs or suggs. CB is a position I think we target in the draft though, either with talib, cason or DRC... One way or another, I hope we land one of these three... preferable talib DRC than cason in that order.

as far as the wes welker comment... this is why I want roy williams or chad johnson.. they command double teams. this would free up ginn, much like moss getting double teams frees up welker.

welker was not that good with us. He was never going to be more valuable to us than the 2nd and 7th we got for him. satele will hopefully anchor that OLINE for awhile. a decade or longer I hope.

I'm just sure bellicheat was relieved to not have to cover welker twice a year against us... I don't remember welker ever tearing NE a new one when we played them.
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Haynesworth said he wants to resign with Tenn, will he, I am thinking so... Your right about welker, he didnt do anything against NE, just look at my above post... I dont know how anyone could believe a word BB has to say
 
although i really dont want any big name free agents coming in next year, i love suggs. he is young and plays extremely hard. he wouldnt come cheap, but would be good as an outside backer in a 3-4. but, i see taylor and porter as outside backers next year, so probably wouldnt happen.
 
I'm in the boat of preferring Trufant over Asante. As for WW, I like the guy but I'd make that trade again and every other day too. WW is a nice piece to have when you have other things in place, but he's not a franchise cornerstone that you build your receiving core around.
 
We didnt trade Welker anyways. We was a restricted FA and N-E offered him a huge contract filled with poison pills. N-E made it impossible for us to match their offer. Bottom line is we had no choice. I still like the trade anyway, they got Moss for a 4th... I dont know how Welker for a second is bad for us...
 
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