Throw away your mock draft- it's gonna be a CRAZY first round

[futurescout]

well moving long inside in the nickle does make sense...i just wonder if you are gonna waste macks explosive edge rush abilities on early downs playing him as a strong side backer...and there's some stiffness with him that wouldn't concern me as a 34 olb but would as a 43 strong...not to mention he's so used to coming forward all the time at buffalo

They could use an under front with Mack and let him play a 9 technique as well. He's a little stiff but has good awareness in coverage.. There's a game can't remember which one.. where he has a nice breakup in coverage, and the QB goes after him again the next play and makes a pick 6.. You won't find any SAM linebacker that isn't somewhat of a liability in coverage.. I think he would be fine dropping curl/flat in base.. but on nickel you definitely want him moving forward.

 

[Canadi-Phin]

They could use an under front with Mack and let him play a 9 technique as well. He's a little stiff but has good awareness in coverage.. There's a game can't remember which one.. where he has a nice breakup in coverage, and the QB goes after him again the next play and makes a pick 6.. You won't find any SAM linebacker that isn't somewhat of a liability in coverage.. I think he would be fine dropping curl/flat in base.. but on nickel you definitely want him moving forward.

I know one SAM who isn't a liability, Dion Jordan, we are just to stupid to put him there.

 

[futurescout]

I know one SAM who isn't a liability, Dion Jordan, we are just to stupid to put him there.

They did some.. He covered Gronk up the seam in the game up in New England.. but I have doubts about his ability to key, flow, and fill from a stacked position..

and as a 9 technique (walked up SAM linebacker on an outside shade of the tight end) he cannot set the edge of the defense..

Right now he is a situational pass rusher until he gains the strength/bulk necessary to take on frontside blocks.

 

[hoops]

They could use an under front with Mack and let him play a 9 technique as well. He's a little stiff but has good awareness in coverage.. There's a game can't remember which one.. where he has a nice breakup in coverage, and the QB goes after him again the next play and makes a pick 6.. You won't find any SAM linebacker that isn't somewhat of a liability in coverage.. I think he would be fine dropping curl/flat in base.. but on nickel you definitely want him moving forward.

true...

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They did some.. He covered Gronk up the seam in the game up in New England.. but I have doubts about his ability to key, flow, and fill from a stacked position..

and as a 9 technique (walked up SAM linebacker on an outside shade of the tight end) he cannot set the edge of the defense..

Right now he is a situational pass rusher until he gains the strength/bulk necessary to take on frontside blocks.

yep

 

[uk_dolfan]

If Manziel falls to us? What then?

say "lol" and take the player we were going to take unless we get a good offer and if he falls so low why would we?

 

[utahphinsfan]

It'll be an interesting draft. One of the local papers here had a mock w/ Bridgewater going 11th to Tennessee which is doable & believable. Then, had Miami taking Marqise Lee & Zack Martin going to Seattle.

 

[utahphinsfan]

I think alot of what Miami will do hinges on who the Giants & Steelers pick. If they go either DB or DL then Z Martin may still be on the board.

If ZM is off the board; the wisest move off all would be to see if SF wants to move up for a WR. Then, Miami can take Su'a-Filo before Denver and Seattle select.

 

[Los Dolfins]

This is all pure speculation. Much is well written already and nobody "knows" what's going to happen. Saying "...things I'm hearing..." without sources raises the credibility issue right off the bat. Sorry.

 

[RkyDaMan34]

can we get on with the draft already!!!!! I hate that they moved it to May... Rookie GM, Rookie selection... Lets hope not... Skilled players 1st and 2nd then build the trenches...

 

[Roman529]

Just thought I would post some things I'm hearing..
[U]Players who may fall out of round 1
CJ Mosley, Dee Ford, Kony Ealy, Louis Nix, Marqise Lee
Players who may rise to round 1
Joel Bitonio, Weston Richburg, Demarcus Lawrence, Morgan Moses, Cody Latimer, Kyle Fuller, Bradley Roby

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Just know most teams draft boards are very different from the media.. Look no further than Travis Frederick (which turned out to be a good pick) and EJ Manuel last year.. this is going to be the most unpredictable first round in a very long time. Will be interesting to see how things play out..

I was agreeing with you until you said C.J. Mosely might fall out of round one. That ain't happening. The injury concerns are overblown.

 

[roy_miami]

This seems like the deepest draft in a long time, I think you're going to have all-pros at virtually every position and I'm pretty sure we'll get a chance to nab a future all-pro at 19.

To me the entire QB class is boom or bust. I could see 3 or 4 really good QBs come out of this class or they could all be forgettable. Manziel is the ultimate boom or bust though and I wouldn't begrudge Hickey for taking a shot. Not saying I would do it myself but if he loves him and is not sure about Tannehill he should pull the trigger.

 

[WVDolphan]

You can toss out the Mock drafts pretty much every year.

Mock drafts are essentially a waste of time. Someone may be able to nail down the top several picks(not this year) but there are so many variables that its an effort in futility. One trade and everything is thrown off. An entire first round mock is lucky to match 10 teams to their actual picks and that is only if they hit the first few picks correctly.

Some people love making and looking at Mock drafts........ its really silly. The best you can do is speculate at what players a team may be interested in.

Teddy Bustwater isnt worth a 1st round pick. In fact there are quite a few QBs who are projected in rounds 2-5 that are better players than Bustwater.

Skov is still the guy I want at LB.

This is a great year for QBs despite what some were saying early. Some of the projected 1st rounders arent as great as years past, but this draft features several guys in the mid rounds who I think could be legit NFL QBs. Combine that with the fact that next years draft is almost completely void of good QBs and I think its imperative the Phins grab a QB this year.

Everyone is saying if Tannehill flops this year the phins will move on, and that is likely true along with Philbin and others being fired, but the idea that they just go back to the drawing board and draft a QB next year if that happens is not proper thinking. The fact that this year is loaded with QBs in the mid rounds whereas next season there arent many good ones expected to be available tells me the wise thing to do would be to draft the QB this season and have him in place should you need him.

Manziel, McCarron, Murray, Garrapolo, Savage, or Carr would all be great options for the phins IMHO. In fact, Id love to just get on with it and draft 2 of those guys. We could probably fleece a team like Minnesota for their 1st pick in exchange for Tannehill. Take Johnny Football with that pick and then nab Murray later on. Do that along with drafting Skov and Amaro in rounds 2 and 3, take a playmaker WR with pick 19, and go cornfed from round 5 on and we could be in serious business.

 

[Canadi-Phin]

You can toss out the Mock drafts pretty much every year.

Mock drafts are essentially a waste of time. Someone may be able to nail down the top several picks(not this year) but there are so many variables that its an effort in futility. One trade and everything is thrown off. An entire first round mock is lucky to match 10 teams to their actual picks and that is only if they hit the first few picks correctly.

Some people love making and looking at Mock drafts........ its really silly. The best you can do is speculate at what players a team may be interested in.

Teddy Bustwater isnt worth a 1st round pick. In fact there are quite a few QBs who are projected in rounds 2-5 that are better players than Bustwater.

Skov is still the guy I want at LB.

This is a great year for QBs despite what some were saying early. Some of the projected 1st rounders arent as great as years past, but this draft features several guys in the mid rounds who I think could be legit NFL QBs. Combine that with the fact that next years draft is almost completely void of good QBs and I think its imperative the Phins grab a QB this year.

Everyone is saying if Tannehill flops this year the phins will move on, and that is likely true along with Philbin and others being fired, but the idea that they just go back to the drawing board and draft a QB next year if that happens is not proper thinking. The fact that this year is loaded with QBs in the mid rounds whereas next season there arent many good ones expected to be available tells me the wise thing to do would be to draft the QB this season and have him in place should you need him.

Manziel, McCarron, Murray, Garrapolo, Savage, or Carr would all be great options for the phins IMHO. In fact, Id love to just get on with it and draft 2 of those guys. We could probably fleece a team like Minnesota for their 1st pick in exchange for Tannehill. Take Johnny Football with that pick and then nab Murray later on. Do that along with drafting Skov and Amaro in rounds 2 and 3, take a playmaker WR with pick 19, and go cornfed from round 5 on and we could be in serious business.

Didn't SKov just run a really crappy time like 5.11? That is a huge red flag to me. I don't think every LB needs to run a 4.5 but in the NFL a 5 sec 40 is going to get completely exposed.

 

[Canadi-Phin]

They did some.. He covered Gronk up the seam in the game up in New England.. but I have doubts about his ability to key, flow, and fill from a stacked position..

and as a 9 technique (walked up SAM linebacker on an outside shade of the tight end) he cannot set the edge of the defense..

Right now he is a situational pass rusher until he gains the strength/bulk necessary to take on frontside blocks.

I don't totally disagree but there are only a few TEs that are going to truly beat him with their blocking as the 9 tech. With a year in the weight room and the full offseason, where he missed last years, I think we should be grooming him and playing him in that spot every single snap of preseason. Then move him to a rusher and tell him to stop watching the quick throw and just unleash in his pass rush. I always felt like he delayed off the start of the snap because he was trying to make sure it wasn't a quick throw. Just tell him go get the QB.

 

[JakeMcAwful]

Didn't SKov just run a really crappy time like 5.11? That is a huge red flag to me. I don't think every LB needs to run a 4.5 but in the NFL a 5 sec 40 is going to get completely exposed.

Skov has a fourth round grade to me.. Even then, I don't have much interest in taking him. Being that slow might have been okay in college to some extent (even though it shows on tape quite clearly), but in the NFL it's going to be a joke.. Any decent OC will play fiddle with him and we'll be back to days of scatbacks and tight ends ripping us for 100+ yards. Limited ability and limited athleticism. No thanks.