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Time For A Soft Rebuild

SF Dolphin Fan said:
Maybe not good enough, but I really don't think you can classify Grier as bad. Miami is easily top half of the league talent wise and have been for several years.

However, I do think the current rebuild has to be classified as a failure simply because Miami hasn't gained ground on Buffalo, or any of the AFC top contenders.
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GM has multiple responsibilities
Draft acquistition: B+ #subpar o-line returns but lots of wins too above average
FA acquisition: A- # lots more hits than misses recent years
Trade value: A- #tunsil = the million dollar paperclip, some poor decision to trade up in draft
Roster construction: F #QB2, both starting Gs and T depth are fireable offenses
 
BahamaFinFan78 said:
Turning your kid into a Fins fan? You should be charged with child cruelty. All of us that are already in it can't leave, but to introduce it to your kid? Wow! That's just criminal. If your child ever starts singing "Miami Dolphins, Miami Dolphins, Miami Dolphins number one...", the punishments should begin :)
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Lol, yeah they know the fight song also, breaks my heart. 😂
 
ckparrot has listed key items for McD to not get fired. We implement his changes, then add maybe 5 critical starters and 3 depth pieces, I feel good about us going to the playoffs next year with chance to go deep. We cannot plug all these holes but we need to fill most of them

LB1, FS: blue-chip resources
OG1, TE1: above-average starter resources
OG2, SS: average starter
QB2, power back, OT/OG: top backup resources

Our cap is constrainted so to reduce resources:
Tyreek -> go from elite tiny speed WR to a top-15 physical win-at-catch point guy
Armstead #let paul take over
Chubb #way overpaid
 
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Sirspud said:
It's time for Miami to do the Minnesota style soft rebuild. Its time to stop spending money on Jordan Poyer, Kiko Alonso, Kyle Van Noy-level bandaids that don't move the needle but add up to cap space all the same. Stop spending both draft picks and cap to add the Jalen Ramseys and Bradley Chubbs. Stop sending late round picks for guys like Jeff Wilson who are going to marginally upgrade an area where you could use some help.

If you spend money at all, spend it retaining the young talent we have. This team couldn't retain Christian Wilkins, Robert Hunt, or Andrew Van Ginkle, players that we drafted and developed, not just because we spend high dollars on supposedly marquee players, some of which like Tyreek have delivered, but other slike Byron Jones did not, but also because all of those dollars that were spent on guys who were just there to fill a hole with a supposedly NFL body that you're paying millions to get the play of what a good draft pick could have offered.

You can cut ties with guys like Tyreek that are obviously entering the backside of their careers. But there is a middle ground to "win now" and trading everyone of any value. So often I've seen the Dolphins do whatever it takes so they can get "picks and money" and inevitably trading talented young players has involved spending a boatload of high picks over the next few years just trying to replace a player we already had on the roster. Laremy Tunsil turns into drafting Austin Jackson and Liam Eichenberg high and still not having an LT until you overpay for a fragile Terron Armstead, Vontae Davis turns into drafting Jamar Taylor and Will Davis among others, Minkah Fitzpatrick turns into Noah Igby, Jevon Holland, and some of the biggest free agent dollars ever spent at the time in a mid player like Byron Jones, etc. Look around the league, and you'll see that the good organizations have pretty much never had the "tear it all down" moments. They made trade players, but its either of the dealing from a position of strength, or getting rid of a guy a year before they fall off the cliff.

Having more picks doesn't always equate to being able to draft more good players either- it ends up involving a lot of reaches drafting for need, and its hard as hell to develop young players when they have nothing but other young players around them.

The Dolphins 2019 rebuild was a failure. We got rid of bad contracts after 2018 only to start blowing even more cap in 2020 compensating for the expansion-level talent we willfully created. Its time to stop the madness. Stop spending reckless money, supplement the young players we do have instead of yet again trying to build an entire football team from scratch.

EDITING TO CLARIFY- My idea of a soft rebuild is entirely in regards to the roster. I do not believe in the current coaching staff and I believe that Grier was given his chance and failed as well.
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FINALLY....

Can I ask that we stop drafting Smurfs too? Metrics matter!!!!
 
Mach2 said:
Meh, Achane and Waddle are both good, productive players. I have no big complaints there.
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Those two guys are football players first, while they are smaller than I prefer, they are blazing fast and/or quick. Every good team has a few of these types. Even the Giants under Parcells has guys like Joe Morris and Steven Baker.

If the rest of our team is built correctly (metrics!!!) the value of these players is multiplied.
 
Mr Fan said:
Those two guys are football players first, while they are smaller than I prefer, they are blazing fast and/or quick. Every good team has a few of these types. Even the Giants under Parcells has guys like Joe Morris and Steven Baker.

If the rest of our team is built correctly (metrics!!!) the value of these players is multiplied.
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I don't disagree.

My question is, as to your statement about drafting "smurfs", to whom are you referring that we drafted?
 
Allow me to pose a hypothetical sistuation...

Say the Dolphins under go another retcon & a more physical style is installed.

What happens should the phins stating losing alot of games 27-14 on the way to a 5 win season?
 
isaacjunk said:
GM has multiple responsibilities
Draft acquistition: B+ #subpar o-line returns but lots of wins too above average
FA acquisition: A- # lots more hits than misses recent years
Trade value: A- #tunsil = the million dollar paperclip, some poor decision to trade up in draft
Roster construction: F #QB2, both starting Gs and T depth are fireable offenses
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Agree with a lot of this. I think roster construction is probably a C, but not having a better backup quarterback option might have cost Miami a playoff appearance.
 
Mach2 said:
I don't disagree.

My question is, as to your statement about drafting "smurfs", to whom are you referring that we drafted?
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We can start with our RB's I don't think we have one that is over 215.

Our QBs have more in common with Pat White/Doug Flutie than Josh Allen.

We have a slew of guys at the WR position who would have trouble getting on some rides at some amusement parks.
 
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