Time to drop some dead weight off the ship...

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Thompson- Has a great camp every year, but apparantly can't play against non-dolphins. After 2+ years, I've seen enough to know he shouldn't be out there. Cap hit is reasonable. Boston and GIlmore are superior.

Disagree with your over-generalization that he can't play against non-dolphins. It would only take one contrary example to disprove that statement and I'm sure you already know which example that would be.

I agree that Boston and Gilmore are better. That is why I had Thompson 5th on the depth chart. You are correct that if they only carry 5 WRs, Thompson may lose out to Welker because of kick returns. With Boston's recent health problems, I'd be very worried if we only carried 5.

 

[byroan]

The funny thing is that those two photos are of the SAME play but taken from two different angles. I'm shocked the poster didn't mention this but of course he wanted to paint the picture of DT dropping a lot passes so showing the same play from two different angles gives you the impression that you're seeing him drop not ONE but TWO different passes.

I didn't think I'd have to explain the obvious.

 

[Phinfanatic84]

One more thing.... Donald Lee has no business playing TE in the NFL. No need to worry though... N.F.L. stands for Not For Long when it comes pass catching TE's who can't catch the ball.

 

[Phinfanatic84]

I didn't think I'd have to explain the obvious.

I didn't think so either until I saw some people's responses (two pics of Patriots pass interference, etc.) and you didn't set the record straight so that left me to wonder what your intentions were.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I cannot stand a wide-receiver who drops passes.

According to the source that listed 4 drops for Thompson, Chambers dropped 4 last season. Booker dropped 6.

 

[byroan]

According to the source that listed 4 drops for Thompson, Chambers dropped 4 last season. Booker dropped 6.

It also shows the number of completions. You can't look at drops and say oh he has just as many as other receivers on the team. Thompson isn't thrown to that much so 4 dropped passes is a lot.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

It also shows the number of completions. You can't look at drops and say oh he has just as many as other receivers on the team. Thompson isn't thrown to that much so 4 dropped passes is a lot.

I can use the numbers any way I want. That's what makes stats so fun. You want to claim 4 drops with 23 catches is a bad percentage. I can look at the stat raw stats and extract something different.

How about these:

Thompson has a better TD to drop ratio than Booker and higher % caught and % first downs.
Thompson's % caught is close to Chambers and his % first downs is better.
Thompson's drops vs targets is only slightly worse than Gilmore, but his % caught and % first downs are better.

Why should we use the number of drops versus catches? Why not drops vs TDs? That would be similar to the TD/interception ratio used for QBs. Thompson drops some balls, but he also scores and he had the hghest third down percentage of the WRs.

Neither one of us knows the criteria used to assemble these stats. When is an incomplete ruled a drop?

 

[Schleprock]

I can use the numbers any way I want. That's what makes stats so fun. You want to claim 4 drops with 23 catches is a bad percentage. I can look at the stat raw stats and extract something different.

How about these:

Thompson has a better TD to drop ratio than Booker and higher % caught and % first downs.
Thompson's % caught is close to Chambers and his % first downs is better.
Thompson's drops vs targets is only slightly worse than Gilmore, but his % caught and % first downs are better.

Why should we use the number of drops versus catches? Why not drops vs TDs? That would be similar to the TD/interception ratio used for QBs. Thompson drops some balls, but he also scores and he had the hghest third down percentage of the WRs.

Neither one of us knows the criteria used to assemble these stats. When is an incomplete ruled a drop?

For Crissakes...who knew Derrius Thompson's relative lived in western NY.

 

[Maynard the Hammer]

I can use the numbers any way I want. That's what makes stats so fun. You want to claim 4 drops with 23 catches is a bad percentage. I can look at the stat raw stats and extract something different.

How about these:

Thompson has a better TD to drop ratio than Booker and higher % caught and % first downs.
Thompson's % caught is close to Chambers and his % first downs is better.
Thompson's drops vs targets is only slightly worse than Gilmore, but his % caught and % first downs are better.

Why should we use the number of drops versus catches? Why not drops vs TDs? That would be similar to the TD/interception ratio used for QBs. Thompson drops some balls, but he also scores and he had the hghest third down percentage of the WRs.

Neither one of us knows the criteria used to assemble these stats. When is an incomplete ruled a drop?

it just seems that Thompson drops the ball on what can be momentun gaining plays. Donald Lee, for example can stall a drive all by himself. He'll drop a pass and then false start on the next play.

as the third reciever, your gonna be thrown to more on third downs or in deep passes where the defense doesnt cover the third option as well.

my point is that generally, when booker drops a pass, its a five yard slant on first down. when thompson drops a ball, its usually down the field or on third down.

btw, what made Thompson's catch against the Pats so great was that he actually held on to it

 

[NaboCane]

I can use the numbers any way I want. That's what makes stats so fun. You want to claim 4 drops with 23 catches is a bad percentage. I can look at the stat raw stats and extract something different.

How about these:

Thompson has a better TD to drop ratio than Booker and higher % caught and % first downs.
Thompson's % caught is close to Chambers and his % first downs is better.
Thompson's drops vs targets is only slightly worse than Gilmore, but his % caught and % first downs are better.

Why should we use the number of drops versus catches? Why not drops vs TDs? That would be similar to the TD/interception ratio used for QBs. Thompson drops some balls, but he also scores and he had the hghest third down percentage of the WRs.

Neither one of us knows the criteria used to assemble these stats. When is an incomplete ruled a drop?

This is pathetic. We're talking about football, you want to "spin" numbers?

Pathetic. Stats are for bookies.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

For Crissakes...who knew Derrius Thompson's relative lived in western NY.

It has nothing to do with Thompson. I would make similar arguments for any player that I thought should make the team. If I thought there were a viable alternative, I'd be fine with that player.

 

[byroan]

I can use the numbers any way I want. That's what makes stats so fun. You want to claim 4 drops with 23 catches is a bad percentage. I can look at the stat raw stats and extract something different.

How about these:

Thompson has a better TD to drop ratio than Booker and higher % caught and % first downs.
Thompson's % caught is close to Chambers and his % first downs is better.
Thompson's drops vs targets is only slightly worse than Gilmore, but his % caught and % first downs are better.

Why should we use the number of drops versus catches? Why not drops vs TDs? That would be similar to the TD/interception ratio used for QBs. Thompson drops some balls, but he also scores and he had the hghest third down percentage of the WRs.

Neither one of us knows the criteria used to assemble these stats. When is an incomplete ruled a drop?

Your stats do nothing to back up your argument for Derrius Dropson. :shakeno:

 

[SF Dolfan]

Disagree with your over-generalization that he can't play against non-dolphins. It would only take one contrary example to disprove that statement and I'm sure you already know which example that would be.

I agree that Boston and Gilmore are better. That is why I had Thompson 5th on the depth chart. You are correct that if they only carry 5 WRs, Thompson may lose out to Welker because of kick returns. With Boston's recent health problems, I'd be very worried if we only carried 5.

Well ok, he can play, just not very well. :tongue: To say that DT has been anything but a disappointment is paying him a great compliment. He was signed after a 700+ yard, handful of TDs season in Washington to come in and be at worst, a solid #2 receiver. We gave him a decent contract and he was a guy we expected to be an up and comer and part of the core of our offense. 3 years later, he has at no time during the preseason or regular season demostrated the skills or consistency to be a starting WR in the NFL. Of course now, its not a matter of starting, but whether or not he should hang on as a #4 or 5 receiver. I have no problem with DT as a #5 WR behind CC, Boston, Booker, and Gilmore. But Wes has to be #5 because he returns kicks. I would rather see Wes get some pt at receiver if we're in a pinch than see DT take a roster spot that we could save for a Vickerson, Wright, or other young guy that has some potential. I feel like we know what we have with him, a very average player, and I would rather use that spot on a guy with some upside potential.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

This is pathetic. We're talking about football, you want to "spin" numbers?

Pathetic. Stats are for bookies.

I didn't start the stats discussion, I just showed they can be spun any way you want.

You and several other posters keep claiming he has too many drops. When it was shown that he had no more than Chambers and less than Boston, the % of drops was brought up by someone else.

BTW, Chambers had a drop on Monday night, cut his butt too.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Your stats do nothing to back up your argument for Derrius Dropson. :shakeno:

Why?