Tired of Media/Fan negativity on Ginn pick.

[aquaman]

Why is it that all of a sudden any moron with a pen and a pad or a lap top is a draft expert or better yet Ms Cleo see-er of all? Lets take a look at cant miss picks the last few years and see just how much the "experts" truly know about new players coming in. top 10 only and the last 10 yrs:

1995 G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st

1.1995 JJ Stokes out of UCLA- guy was a cant miss, had all the tools blah blah.
career stats from 95-2004

TOTAL 118 69 342 4293 12.6 53 30 66 7 226

yeah, draft niks wrong.

2. 1995 Micheal Westbrook- #4 in 1995 another cant miss guy.

career stats-TOTAL 89 72 285 4374 15.3 76 26 62 13 203

3.Joey Galloway- to me injuries limited him was the #8 pick in 1995

carrer stats-TOTAL 161 151 612 9558 15.6 81 71 136 42 429

lets move to 1996 G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st

1. Keyshawn Johnson- the #1 pick. Dont think he was that bad but not a #1 especially since harrison went at 19 that yr.

career stats-TOTAL 167 162 814 10571 13.0 76 64 140 10 552

2. Terry Glenn- #7 pick.

carrer stats-136 127 593 8823 14.9 86 44 129 34 421

1997 G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st

1. Ike Hilliard- pick #7 in 97 and only top wr. This was to be the next great wr for the giants.

career stats-TOTAL 130 94 437 5251 12.0 59 30 63 9 285

1998

Teams Learned from the Hilliard debacle and did not choose a wr in the top 10 in this draft

1999 G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st

1. Torry Holt - pick #6, a hall of famer imo.

career stats-TOTAL 126 116 712 10675 15.0 85 64 161 34 491

2. David Boston- pick #8. We all know about him.wasnt he a cant miss also?

career stats-75 61 315 4699 14.9 70 25 75 19 213

2000 G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st

1. Peter Warrick- not one person thought this guy would bust so bad.

career stats-79 60 275 2991 10.9 77 18 38 3 153

2.Plax Burress- classic underachiever,ups and downs.

career stats-102 97 400 6366 15.9 78 39 103 23 289

3. Travis Taylor- lol, #10 pick Ravens

career stats-100 90 311 4013 12.9 73 22 53 10 191

2001 G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st

1. David Terrell- #8 pick Bears. Wow.every draft guy thought he was the second coming.

career stats- 54 30 128 1602 12.5 63 9 24 5 81

2. Koren Robinson- #9 pick. Funny how the best guy in that years wr corp was Santana Moss a guy some compare Ginn to.

career stats- 75 57 242 3603 14.9 83 13 57 9 161

2002

No Wr in top 10, highest was stallworth picked by our very on randy Mueller at#13

2003 G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st

1. Charles Rogers- Seriously dont know of one draft guy or fan who didnt want this guy.

career stats- 15 9 36 440 12.2 35 4 5 0 24

2.Andre Johnson- A stud!

career stats- 61 61 311 3953 12.7 54 17 51 11 193

2004

1. Larry Fitzgerald- a devourer of cb's.

career stats- 45 45 230 3135 13.6 57 24 53 7 155

2. Roy Williams- I like him alot.

carrer stats- 43 39 181 2814 15.5 60 23 51 9 131

3. Reggie Williams- not good.

career stats- 48 36 114 1329 11.7 48 5 14 2 65

2005

1. Braylon edwards- pick # 3.To me hes going to be a good wr but the other two picked after him are already busts.

2. Troy Williamson pick #7

3. Mike Williams- Bunch of finheaveners wanted him. do you still?


2006

none taken in the top 10



so you look at this list and remember back to all the comments made about cant miss guys and hes a sure shot for the starting job and how yo felt about those players coming out, truly how many times were they/you right?

My point here is you dont know if Quinn turns out to be the next Brady or Ginn turns out to be the next Troy Williamson. Just enjoy the fact that our gm/coach thought to get us a playmaker of the likes we have not had since Mark Duper at that position and still got us a pretty darn good qb. Some of you are acting like we just picked the next Mike Willams and Ty Detmer and havent let this inexact science run its course. Maybe the chemiclas blend well together and we get a heck of a combo or maybe they dont. Truth is we are dolfans and we just got a few new additions to the family. Welcome them with open arms and TRUST our coach and Gm.

 

[ih8brady]

whats wrong with having differing opinions or hoping for certain players on draft day? I do agree that once they're on the team, lets hope for the best!

 

[TexanPhinatic]

Ran/Cam's biggest mistake was not in passing on Quinn, but making everyone THINK Quinn was our pick and QB of the future and next Marino blah blah. They overplayed their hand in this regard. They were eyeing Ginn all along, while giving Quinn lip service in an attempt to drum up a trade (they wanted to move down and pick Ginn). However no fish were biting, so they went with their pick.
Unfortunately they so led the fans to believe in Quinn that they created their own negative backlash in passing on him. Once the ferver calms down and all I think most people will realize that we did OK.

 

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I dont think there is such a think as "cant miss" anything.

 

[23EmilioVasquez]

i dont care what any one say let them play then we will see what mistake or lack there of we did

 

[TexanPhinatic]

There really is no such thing as a cant miss guy. I think we did well.

 

[Brad528]

Everyone is going to be sorry when they see we went out on a limb and got our selves a super star. Ted Ginn has a special speed that not many can ever come close to.

 

[BuffaloStampede]

Sorry but Ginn was a horrible pick and not even a 1st round pick - bonehead move of the century.

 

[Jimmy James]

I wonder if anybody here was tired of the negativity when the Dolphins picked Jamar Fletcher over Drew Brees.

Ditto for Eddie Moore over Anquan Boldin.

I think some folks are just going to have to accept that unless Beck and Ginn both play lights out or Quinn bombs, RM and CC are going to be answering for their choice on Saturday a LONG time.

 

[TexanPhinatic]

Sorry but Ginn was a horrible pick and not even a 1st round pick - bonehead move of the century.

Lol yeah and Whitner and McCargo werent reaches?? This is rich coming from a Buffalo fan lol!

BTW, I bet you dont regret the Whitner pick now do you? Guys a player, and you better hope he stays that way or he will be slapping at Ginns heels as he gets blown away :ninja:

 

[endorPHINS72]

I wonder if anybody here was tired of the negativity when the Dolphins picked Jamar Fletcher over Drew Brees.

Ditto for Eddie Moore over Anquan Boldin.

I think some folks are just going to have to accept that unless Beck and Ginn both play lights out or Quinn bombs, RM and CC are going to be answering for their choice on Saturday a LONG time.

Exactly. Unfortunately, I have a really bad feeling this is going to come back and bite us in the *** REALLY hard. I'm not sold 100% on John Beck. He's a great kid and he played well against lesser competition, but that doesn't mean he'll be the answer to our problems at QB. He very well could be another Jay Fiedler.

 

[TexanPhinatic]

I wonder if anybody here was tired of the negativity when the Dolphins picked Jamar Fletcher over Drew Brees.

Ditto for Eddie Moore over Anquan Boldin.

I think some folks are just going to have to accept that unless Beck and Ginn both play lights out or Quinn bombs, RM and CC are going to be answering for their choice on Saturday a LONG time.

Actually no those were just stupid. And yes RM and CC will be answering for their draft picks play, as they would if they had drafted Quinn and he sucked *** for us. You think if JaMarcus is a bust that Al Davis wont be looking for a head just because the media said it was a good pick? You make your choice and live with it for better or worse.
If Ginn/Beck outplay Quinn Ran/Cam will be hailed as geniuses.

 

[BillsFanInPeace]

I might not have laughed as hard as I did when you all picked him. But then your coach comes out and says we drafted his family or some stuff like that. And does not even mention him as a WR.

Then within hours of the draft it becomes reported he will still be out for anywhere from 6-12 weeks. So much for learning how to run a route other than a fly.

 

[Rhoadsy13]

Ran/Cam's biggest mistake was not in passing on Quinn, but making everyone THINK Quinn was our pick and QB of the future and next Marino blah blah. They overplayed their hand in this regard. They were eyeing Ginn all along, while giving Quinn lip service in an attempt to drum up a trade (they wanted to move down and pick Ginn). However no fish were biting, so they went with their pick.
Unfortunately they so led the fans to believe in Quinn that they created their own negative backlash in passing on him. Once the ferver calms down and all I think most people will realize that we did OK.

You can't blame Cam/Mueller for all of the hype around Quinn, they NEVER said that he was our guy, it was the MEDIA that was saying that. Blowing smoke is part of the business look at the Raiders the media was claiming that they were in negotiations w/Russell, Johnson, and Quinn, I bet they knew they wanted Russell the whole time.

Look at Cam's success, I think he knows how to evaluate QB's.

 

[Jimmy James]

Actually no those were just stupid.

If Brady Quinn compiles a strong career as a starter (think Phil Simms, Boomer Esiason, or Bernie Kosar) and Miami is still looking for a QB for years like we have been since Marino, you don't think everyone will call what happened two days ago "just stupid"?

And yes RM and CC will be answering for their draft picks play, as they would if they had drafted Quinn and he sucked *** for us. You think if JaMarcus is a bust that Al Davis wont be looking for a head just because the media said it was a good pick? You make your choice and live with it for better or worse.

While what you say is true to a point, there is safety in numbers. If the guy you picked was the consensus choice and he fails to pan out, you might get fired. You won't be dogged with that pick the rest of your career, though. That's what RM and CC have risked. They'll be the idiots who passed up Quinn if this goes badly. Hell, look at how people see Rick Spielman for overpaying for AJ Feeley.

If Ginn/Beck outplay Quinn Ran/Cam will be hailed as geniuses.

That's certainly the upside.