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To all the "Ginn is dropping" folks..

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I find it very odd that so many people regard Ginn so highly. I never watched an OSU game and felt (other than on special teams) that the defense had to account for Ginn on every play. Anthony Gonzales was that guy.

I guess it goes to show how much a 40 time means to people. I always thought that Dwayne Jarrett was a far more dominant (and durable) college receiver and it seems he's dropped well out of the Top 20. He practically abused Leon Hall in the Rose Bowl, yet Hall is projected to be taken well before Jarrett.
 
NashPhin said:
I find it very odd that so many people regard Ginn so highly. I never watched an OSU game and felt (other than on special teams) that the defense had to account for Ginn on every play. Anthony Gonzales was that guy.

I guess it goes to show how much a 40 time means to people. I always thought that Dwayne Jarrett was a far more dominant (and durable) college receiver and it seems he's dropped well out of the Top 20. He practically abused Leon Hall in the Rose Bowl, yet Hall is projected to be taken well before Jarrett.
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Defenses DID acount for Ginn keeping the safteys deep and allowing Gonzalez to get in good situations..Ginn like Linehan said makes your defense account for him..you dont have to believe me but when an NFL coach is praising him like that its for a reason.
 
I don't know how reliable neutral a Columbus paper would be about an Ohio State player.

As i said in the VIP, I never thought Ginn was worth a top 10 pick because he is too raw. If I'm him, I'm praying to drop to the middle to late first. Sure, he'll lose money, but he'll be in a great situation (either Dallas,Denver, or KC) where he can develop and not have to be one of the top 2 guys right away.
 
ChambersWI said:
I don't know how reliable neutral a Columbus paper would be about an Ohio State player.

As i said in the VIP, I never thought Ginn was worth a top 10 pick because he is too raw. If I'm him, I'm praying to drop to the middle to late first. Sure, he'll lose money, but he'll be in a great situation (either Dallas,Denver, or KC) where he can develop and not have to be one of the top 2 guys right away.
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LOL, I doubt they were misquoting a Rams HC...that would be funny!!
 
NashPhin said:
I find it very odd that so many people regard Ginn so highly. I never watched an OSU game and felt (other than on special teams) that the defense had to account for Ginn on every play. Anthony Gonzales was that guy.

I guess it goes to show how much a 40 time means to people. I always thought that Dwayne Jarrett was a far more dominant (and durable) college receiver and it seems he's dropped well out of the Top 20. He practically abused Leon Hall in the Rose Bowl, yet Hall is projected to be taken well before Jarrett.
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it's been said many times, Hall was only on Jarrett a couple of plays, and the one big play he gave up was because he missed a tackle.

LOL, I doubt they were misquoting a Rams HC...that would be funny
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not saying the quote is wrong, I'm saying their not going to cast the local boy in a negative light. It should be noted that several national media outlets have stated that scouts were less than impressed with Ginn.
 
NashPhin said:
I find it very odd that so many people regard Ginn so highly. I never watched an OSU game and felt (other than on special teams) that the defense had to account for Ginn on every play. Anthony Gonzales was that guy.

I guess it goes to show how much a 40 time means to people. I always thought that Dwayne Jarrett was a far more dominant (and durable) college receiver and it seems he's dropped well out of the Top 20. He practically abused Leon Hall in the Rose Bowl, yet Hall is projected to be taken well before Jarrett.
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I'm sorry but this is just terribly misguided. Nobody even knows what Ted Ginn Jr's true 40 time is. Nobody. We know he ran between 4.38 and 4.44 or something like that...in the rain...on a sprained foot. But that's it. Nobody knows what he would do healthy, or in optimal conditions. All we know is that he ran somewhere around a 4.34 when he came out of high school. But that was high school, and he's far more developed now.

So tell me, how could anyone just be falling in love with a 40 time that nobody really knows?

There is an important distinction that you are basically just glossing over. There's a *big* difference between falling in love with a guy's speed when he's running around in shorts on a track at the Combine and his pro day, and falling love with a guy's speed when he's running around in pads against some of the top players in college football.

And Dwayne Jarrett made one play on Leon Hall, and it was a bracket coverage where the safety blew his assignment and Hall subsequently fell down. One play. The rest of the time, USC specifically avoided throwing toward Leon Hall.

Ted Ginn Jr. made a big play on Leon Hall too, but this time it was Ginn's speed, not a busted bracket coverage, that was responsible. Hall didn't get inside enough to account for Ginn's jets. Ted Ginn Jr. also had a touchdown against Jim Thorpe Award winner Aaron Ross. Ross tried to press Ginn at the line, Ginn deked a few times, and left him in the dust.
 
Ginn, Jr. reminds me an awful lot of Tennessee product Donte Stallworth, another fantastic-running sportscar of a receiver who seems to always be in the shop.

With the #9 pick, I don't want to get caught up in wondering what unbelievable things a player could do if he didn't have a busted wheel.
 
Most of the fans know little about Ginn so let me clarify a few areas about him. As an OSU fan I can give you an unbiased analysis of Ginn , having watched every game he played.
First, he is the fastest player in college football and would be in the top 3 in the NFL.
He needs work running routes and patterns.
His hands are average to above average. He tends to drop the out pass but catches the deep ball very well.
Despite this recent injury, he is not prone to getting hurt.
He needs to get stronger to ward off the press coverage. But with his speed it is a huge gamble to press him without deep safety coverage.That's where he becomes valuable in freeing up the other WRs.
His kickoff and punt return ability is second to none. Every touch means a potential TD.
He is humble, great kid with an excellent attitude, demeanor and work ethic.
Is he worth the #9 pick? Probabaly not. But he has potential to be far better than a player like Levi Brown, Leon Hall, etc.
 
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Most of the fans know little about Ginn so let me clarify a few areas about him. As an OSU fan I can give you an unbiased analysis of Ginn , having watched every game he played.
First, he is the fastest player in college football and would be in the top 3 in the NFL.
He needs work running routes and patterns.
His hands are average to above average. He tends to drop the out pass but catches the deep ball very well.
Despite this recent injury, he is not prone to getting hurt.
He needs to get stronger to ward off the press coverage. But with his speed it is a huge gamble to press him without deep safety coverage.That's where he becomes valuable in freeing up the other WRs.
His kickoff and punt return ability is second to none. Every touch means a potential TD.
He is humble, great kid with an excellent attitude, demeanor and work ethic.
Is he worth the #9 pick? Probabaly not. But he has potential to be far better than a player like Levi Brown, Leon Hall, etc.
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Very,very well said...all very true comments
 
CC Coach said:
Most of the fans know little about Ginn so let me clarify a few areas about him. As an OSU fan I can give you an unbiased analysis of Ginn , having watched every game he played.
First, he is the fastest player in college football and would be in the top 3 in the NFL.
He needs work running routes and patterns.
His hands are average to above average. He tends to drop the out pass but catches the deep ball very well.
Despite this recent injury, he is not prone to getting hurt.
He needs to get stronger to ward off the press coverage. But with his speed it is a huge gamble to press him without deep safety coverage.That's where he becomes valuable in freeing up the other WRs.
His kickoff and punt return ability is second to none. Every touch means a potential TD.
He is humble, great kid with an excellent attitude, demeanor and work ethic.
Is he worth the #9 pick? Probabaly not. But he has potential to be far better than a player like Levi Brown, Leon Hall, etc.
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:lol: How does being an OSU make you "unbiased". If anything it lends you towards being more biased, but at least you are more knowledgable about his game to game skills versus the avg person who maybe saw him 4-6 times last year. While I understand and probably can agree with a fair amount of what you were saying, the problem still remains . . . . . . . you know you probably will get a decent KR/PR guy, but ??? at WR. Many teams still have Troy Williamson still pretty fresh on their minds and a LOT of what you said about Ginn are the same things that were said about T.Williamson when he came out. Could be a huge payoff for a team willing to take that risk, but could be a huge bust and I don't think in this deep of a draft this year, teams want a 1st round potential bust.
 
JFoxx said:
:lol: How does being an OSU make you "unbiased". If anything it lends you towards being more biased, but at least you are more knowledgable about his game to game skills versus the avg person who maybe saw him 4-6 times last year. While I understand and probably can agree with a fair amount of what you were saying, the problem still remains . . . . . . . you know you probably will get a decent KR/PR guy, but ??? at WR. Many teams still have Troy Williamson still pretty fresh on their minds and a LOT of what you said about Ginn are the same things that were said about T.Williamson when he came out. Could be a huge payoff for a team willing to take that risk, but could be a huge bust and I don't think in this deep of a draft this year, teams want a 1st round potential bust.
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yea, a "decent" return man...please:o
 
CC Coach said:
Most of the fans know little about Ginn so let me clarify a few areas about him. As an OSU fan I can give you an unbiased analysis of Ginn , having watched every game he played.
First, he is the fastest player in college football and would be in the top 3 in the NFL.
He needs work running routes and patterns.
His hands are average to above average. He tends to drop the out pass but catches the deep ball very well.
Despite this recent injury, he is not prone to getting hurt.
He needs to get stronger to ward off the press coverage. But with his speed it is a huge gamble to press him without deep safety coverage.That's where he becomes valuable in freeing up the other WRs.
His kickoff and punt return ability is second to none. Every touch means a potential TD.
He is humble, great kid with an excellent attitude, demeanor and work ethic.
Is he worth the #9 pick? Probabaly not. But he has potential to be far better than a player like Levi Brown, Leon Hall, etc.
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how is his production in the red zone????????:confused:
 
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