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Tom Heckert: Browns “fine with Colt McCoy,” may trade

cljh19 said:
They left Peyton Hillis walk. I agree its probaly Richardson for the Browns, possibly Blackmon. They havent made a run at a QB either. I believe they like us may be in postion to wait atleast round 2 for a QB. Colt Mccoy is still young, how many years did we give Henne? Give the man weapons of some sort.
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I think it would be Richardson. They have Hardesty coming off of injury and I think Holmgren likes what another Bama RB did for his Seattle teams.
 
hooshoops said:
i'm interested in hearing why you want tannehill??? i assume you've looked at some of his college stuff and have come to this conclusion so please explain???
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I think most of the discussion with Tannehill has shifted from a discussion about talent to a discussion about "value." It's really not that dissimilar from the Weeden debate, where everything has become about Weeden's age and not about his relative flaws and strengths.

So let me start with talking about value.

In my opinion, what is happening now is a realigning of everything everyone has accepted about how quarterbacks should be valued. Some are trying to hold to classic values, of looking at a guy like Tannehill and seeing a player who should be a 2nd round pick. I understand what they're saying. But... in my view, that's just not the reality anymore.

Remember how we all beat up Jeff Ireland for taking an interior offensive lineman with the 15th pick? Well, 30 years ago, in the 1982 draft, a guard (Mike Munchack) was the 8th pick, and of the top 15 picks, five were running backs. Three other guards were taken in the first round.

"Value" is not just about skill. It's about impact. And as the running game has phased out, so have running backs and interior offensive linemen. Quarterbacks, always taken high, have continued to rise in value, to where today -- in my opinion -- if you won't take a quarterback like Ryan Tannehill in the top 10 picks, you simply don't get a quarterback like Ryan Tannehill. You don't get a quarterback like Christian Ponder. Heck, look at Cam Newton, the quarterback who just had the greatest QB rookie season of the last 20 years. A one year starter at Auburn who showed issues with fundamentals, character, accuracy and came from a gimmicky offense.

One other point: the wage scale for rookies actually makes "reaching" for a quarterback a much more acceptable proposition. If you take a guy who turns out to be ****, the financial penalty means you can invest in another much sooner. A costly system relative to draft picks? Sure. But that's what you get (by which I mean "deserve") when you don't have a quarterback. But if you hit, well... then the rewards are a team that's actually worth something, which is something the Dolphins are not.

As for Tannehill's tape, I readily admit there are plenty of flaws to be found, especially late in games. But what I cannot deny I see is a natural, a guy who makes plays only very talented people can make. And I don't just mean ridiculous throws or speed (in the Joe Webb mold, for example), but plays (oftentimes, series of plays or halves) where it's all strung together. The physical ability, the mental ability, that hard to describe "feel" for the game. This is a guy who's been a blue chipper all his life. A guy who excelled as a quarterback in high school, who came to A&M and thrived as a WR (showing the same kind of learning curve he later showed as a QB), before stepping in and with the practice time (perhaps even less) of a true freshman and showing some real ability as a quarterback.

If you're going to take a risk, I like the idea of taking it on a high ceiling guy with huge talent and an arrow pointing sharply up who's already shown the ability to put it all together. Bet on talent, just like the Panthers did. Don't get caught thinking beer should only cost a dollar so you end up at ****ty dives by the highway drinking Schlitz.

At the end of the day, though, I can't help thinking Ireland is going to agree with you re: Tannehill, and I can't shake the feeling Sherman doesn't particularly like Tannehill and didn't play him for two and a half years for that reason. If you put a gun to my head and asked me to project who I thought the Dolphins were going to pick, my leading guess right now would be Dre Kirkpatrick. This "Richard Marshall will be a corner" sounds like bull**** to me and if you don't play Marshall there you're not left with a third corner you can rely on (it should be pretty clear by now that Nolan Carroll isn't very good, and they've already replaced him as a returner). It's a nickel defense league, and that's a change Jeff Ireland has been much quicker to pick up on and deploy the necessary resources to respond to.
 
Interesting now that the Browns are going to have Tannehill in for a workout. They're going to do their due diligence, certainly, no matter what they say about McCoy.
 
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