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I'm wondering what everyone sees in this kid? Not people on these boards necessarily, but just people in general, and the "experts". During the game the announcers were saying he is a possible first rounder, but honestly, I haven't seen him do a thing this year. I've watched quite a few Notre Dame games this season, and not once have I seen him do anything worthy of a first round choice. Hell, I haven't seen him do anything worthy of a first DAY choice.

Take the USC game for example. I don't think I even saw him make a tackle, and everytime I saw him, he was either getting beat or way out of position and looking confused or taking bad angles and missing tackles. I was purposely watching him all game just because it seems like as the season goes on he gets more hyped and I wanted to see if it was justified, since I never see him in highlights of the ND games. I wonder if his name would even be mentioned if he didn't happen to be a "pro" boxer too :rolleyes2

Anyone else have anyone that is way overrated?
 
Agent51 said:
I'm wondering what everyone sees in this kid? Not people on these boards necessarily, but just people in general, and the "experts". During the game the announcers were saying he is a possible first rounder, but honestly, I haven't seen him do a thing this year. I've watched quite a few Notre Dame games this season, and not once have I seen him do anything worthy of a first round choice. Hell, I haven't seen him do anything worthy of a first DAY choice.

Take the USC game for example. I don't think I even saw him make a tackle, and everytime I saw him, he was either getting beat or way out of position and looking confused or taking bad angles and missing tackles. I was purposely watching him all game just because it seems like as the season goes on he gets more hyped and I wanted to see if it was justified, since I never see him in highlights of the ND games. I wonder if his name would even be mentioned if he didn't happen to be a "pro" boxer too :rolleyes2

Anyone else have anyone that is way overrated?
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I don't think any part of the ND DEFENSE appears worthy of a first round pick. That lot stinks.
 
I am also confused as to why he is considered a first-rounder. In a secondary that bad, he still fails to stand out regularly. He's a physical guy and a pretty good returner, but that isn't enough.

On a similar thought.. Landry from LSU is widely acknowledged to be a top 10 type guy, I haven't seen a whole lot that makes me think he deserves it. There's been several LSU games on this year, and he is almost always getting bowled over by someone. He is smart and gets in good position, but has trouble finishing tackles.
 
Agent51 said:
I'm wondering what everyone sees in this kid? Not people on these boards necessarily, but just people in general, and the "experts". During the game the announcers were saying he is a possible first rounder, but honestly, I haven't seen him do a thing this year. I've watched quite a few Notre Dame games this season, and not once have I seen him do anything worthy of a first round choice. Hell, I haven't seen him do anything worthy of a first DAY choice.

Take the USC game for example. I don't think I even saw him make a tackle, and everytime I saw him, he was either getting beat or way out of position and looking confused or taking bad angles and missing tackles. I was purposely watching him all game just because it seems like as the season goes on he gets more hyped and I wanted to see if it was justified, since I never see him in highlights of the ND games. I wonder if his name would even be mentioned if he didn't happen to be a "pro" boxer too :rolleyes2

Anyone else have anyone that is way overrated?
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Agent, as a avid Irish fan, I couldn't agree more. I don't know where the experts think he is even a 3rd round talent. He should be playing running back or linebacker at ND. Big hitter but if the receiver is behind you every time, what good is it.
 
Agent51 said:
I'm wondering what everyone sees in this kid? Not people on these boards necessarily, but just people in general, and the "experts". During the game the announcers were saying he is a possible first rounder, but honestly, I haven't seen him do a thing this year. I've watched quite a few Notre Dame games this season, and not once have I seen him do anything worthy of a first round choice. Hell, I haven't seen him do anything worthy of a first DAY choice.

Take the USC game for example. I don't think I even saw him make a tackle, and everytime I saw him, he was either getting beat or way out of position and looking confused or taking bad angles and missing tackles. I was purposely watching him all game just because it seems like as the season goes on he gets more hyped and I wanted to see if it was justified, since I never see him in highlights of the ND games. I wonder if his name would even be mentioned if he didn't happen to be a "pro" boxer too :rolleyes2

Anyone else have anyone that is way overrated?
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I really don't care about what round Tom Zbikowski gets drafted in. He didn't have a great game against USC, but most defenses that play USC don't have great games.

Zbikowski is a playmaker, and probably like Sammy Knight, he will pegged as being too slow for the NFL. But the guy hits like a ton of bricks and has the heart of a lion.

He's also a very good punt returner (he had a punt return for a TD against USC last season).
 
He was a stud quarterback in high school and was highly touted coming into college. He's not getting publicity because he's a boxer, it's because he's a good athlete. He played a lot better last year, but I think people just are disappointed with Notre Dame because they had such high expectations this year. He is a good athlete though, so don't think he isn't good.
 
I'd have to say one of my picks for an overrrated player in the upcoming draft is Tim Crowder, DE, Texas. He is 6'4 and 270 lbs., which is a little light to be a full-time DE in the pros.

One of the biggest concerns is this year is his highest sack total, which is 9.5 sacks. The highest he had before this year is 3.5. With Texas playing teams like Sam Houston State, North Texas and Rice, you'd think he could pad his stats a little better than that.

I just don't see this young man as anything but a situational pass-rusher in the pros, and therfore undeserving of being called a potential 1st round pick as some have touted him as.
 
Zbikowski has had a lackluster season, but is still leaning towards coming out.

Right now he's a 3rd to 4th round pick.

I was never overly impressed with him as a SS, but I'm impressed with his returnin game (not overly fast, but strong and hard to bring down).

I'd also put Quinn Pit**** for Ohio State in the overrated catagory.. in a way. If he's picked in the 2nd or 3rd round, he'll be a good rotation player. But if he's a first round pick, he'll be viewed as a bust.
 
endorPHINS72 said:
I'd have to say one of my picks for an overrrated player in the upcoming draft is Tim Crowder, DE, Texas. He is 6'4 and 270 lbs., which is a little light to be a full-time DE in the pros.

One of the biggest concerns is this year is his highest sack total, which is 9.5 sacks. The highest he had before this year is 3.5. With Texas playing teams like Sam Houston State, North Texas and Rice, you'd think he could pad his stats a little better than that.

I just don't see this young man as anything but a situational pass-rusher in the pros, and therfore undeserving of being called a potential 1st round pick as some have touted him as.
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First of all, Crowder is not overrated. 6'4, 270 is not too light to play in the NFL.....Jason Taylor is lighter than that, Matt Roth was that weight coming out of college, 10 pounds would be easy to put on. So you're wrong there.
9.5 sacks is a good total, doesn't matter who they've played, and 3.5 being his best total before this year doesn't matter either, sometimes players don't find their comfort level until late in their college careers. Your arguments just aren't valid, I had to respond when reading something like this.
 
FinIowa85 said:
First of all, Crowder is not overrated. 6'4, 270 is not too light to play in the NFL.....Jason Taylor is lighter than that, Matt Roth was that weight coming out of college, 10 pounds would be easy to put on. So you're wrong there.
9.5 sacks is a good total, doesn't matter who they've played, and 3.5 being his best total before this year doesn't matter either, sometimes players don't find their comfort level until late in their college careers. Your arguments just aren't valid, I had to respond when reading something like this.
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Ok, making any comparisons to Jason Taylor, no matter how distant, is just absurd. Jason Taylor is a freak of nature. He's probably closer to 250 lbs., but can play the run and rush the passer equally well. Most DE's in the 270 lbs. range will struggle when going up against good tackles in the 330 lbs. range.

And as for Matt Roth, he wasn't a first round pick and it has taken him a year to put on the weight and strength needed to play DE in the pros.

And it is relevant that his highest sack total before this year is 3.5. Yes, you are right that some players come on strong late in their college careers. But more often, they just have a good year. How many guys were undeservingly drafted in the 1st round based upon having a good senior season? Far too many unfortunately.

I'm not saying that the young man won't be a good player. I'm just saying he seems overrated to be considered high middle first round pick.

So while you may disagree with what I have written, my points are valid.
 
Pocoloco said:
I am also confused as to why he is considered a first-rounder. In a secondary that bad, he still fails to stand out regularly. He's a physical guy and a pretty good returner, but that isn't enough.

On a similar thought.. Landry from LSU is widely acknowledged to be a top 10 type guy, I haven't seen a whole lot that makes me think he deserves it. There's been several LSU games on this year, and he is almost always getting bowled over by someone. He is smart and gets in good position, but has trouble finishing tackles.
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You probably haven't seen Landry enough to make a complete assessment but you do make some good points. You probably saw him get taken for a ride by the Gators back up QB Timbo but Timbo is as powerful as almost any back in the NCAA. Landry is a fast, ballhawking, smart player that has the tools to be a pro bowl safety in this league. But he will have to get a lot stronger. He can come up and stuff the run at the college level, at least against smaller backs, but I really question if he can do it in the NFL. Personally, I wouldn't pick him inside the top 10 but if I'm the Dolphins and I'm picking at around 18, I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger. I think he could really help our pass coverage.
 
endorPHINS72 said:
Ok, making any comparisons to Jason Taylor, no matter how distant, is just absurd. Jason Taylor is a freak of nature. He's probably closer to 250 lbs., but can play the run and rush the passer equally well. Most DE's in the 270 lbs. range will struggle when going up against good tackles in the 330 lbs. range.

And as for Matt Roth, he wasn't a first round pick and it has taken him a year to put on the weight and strength needed to play DE in the pros.

And it is relevant that his highest sack total before this year is 3.5. Yes, you are right that some players come on strong late in their college careers. But more often, they just have a good year. How many guys were undeservingly drafted in the 1st round based upon having a good senior season? Far too many unfortunately.

I'm not saying that the young man won't be a good player. I'm just saying he seems overrated to be considered high middle first round pick.

So while you may disagree with what I have written, my points are valid.
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While I agree that he may not warrant a mid-first round selection, I would not be opposed to picking him in the beginning of the second round. As for 270 pounds being too light for a DE coming out of college, I have to disagree with that. I think you need to evaluate a player's weight on a case by case basis. Look to a player's body structure; if he has the frame to add weight without sacrificing speed then 270 pounds is certainly not too light.
 
i love zbikowski... i think he does have enough speed to be a safety and i think could be an impact playmaker in the right situation... hes instinctive, quick, and a punishing hitter...

but i haven't seen much of him this year, this is mostly based on what i saw of him last year... if hes having an off year thats fine, i would love for the dolphins to grab him in like the 3rd round if he fell there...
 
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